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Subject:Re: Packt Book - Publish on our website?
From:Geoff Higginbottom (geof@shapeblue.com)
Date:May 25, 2013 10:07:39 am
List:org.apache.incubator.cloudstack-marketing

+1

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On 25 May 2013, at 14:36, "Giles Sirett"
<gile@shapeblue.com<mailto:gile@shapeblue.com>> wrote:

I've been following this thread very closely for the last few days , but been
travelling, so not been able to jump in I feel very strongly on this subject and is about to cause me to have my first
on-list rant I think............

I think we are just plain crazy if we do not provide a link to this book. A
clear link, not buried in a blog.

Right now, we do not have the luxury of a vibrant ecosystem of books,
events,education,integrating techs,etc around this community (I know lots of
people are working very hard, but its not enough IMO) . Lets face it, we need
more momentum and lets face it, we NEED people to do commercial things like
this. WE need to support these guys however we can, within ASF rules.

These guys (I don’t know them) have taken time (and no doubt money) and put that
into creating a book about OUR technology . HAL -LEL- UJAH. This is a VERY good thing, this will help people learn our tech, this will
encourage people to get involved, it is a sign of maturity to the outside world
and we should be telling the world about that, not trying to do some
quasi-censorship because they may make a few dollars out of it.

I'm sure the book will have some mistakes, it may even be a poor book by some
peoples standards. But it’s a book. About cloudstack. That is a VERY good thing.
*IF* we ever get to the point where we've got lots of competing books, then lets
think about who's we list and in what order at that point (or,even, if we
continue to list at all)

Obviously we need to the "this is not directly endorsed, other books are
available and your home is at risk if you don’t keep up the repayments" thing,
but please, lets make sure we support people doing things like this.

And, before anybody calls me on this: yes, I believe the same applies
(currently) to training courses, complementary technologies or ANYTHING else
that can help drive people into this community.

So, here is my proposal: We SHOULD create an "external resources" page on the website as a place for
anything that has a commercial lilt. That page should carry the health warning (i.e. we don’t endorse,etc) That page should list books, training courses, complementary techs -anybody who
we can consider a "partner" of ACS.

Under the framework of all things having the health warning (i.e. its clear that
we're not endorsing) , then we can go for lazy consensus style in order for
something to be listed there.

Kind Regards Giles

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-----Original Message----- From: Kelcey Jamison Damage [mailto:kel@bbits.ca] Sent: 24 May 2013 17:53 To: mark@cloudstack.apache.org<mailto:mark@cloudstack.apache.org>;
Ilya Musayev Subject: Re: Packt Book - Publish on our website?

well, we could always just put a link to the general
amazon.com<http://amazon.com> search CloudStack results, lol.

What is a committer were to write a book in conjunction with several other
committers and donate all proceeds the project, would we be interested in an
official licensed book?

Just a thought.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Ilya Musayev" <imus@webmd.net<mailto:imus@webmd.net>> To: mark@cloudstack.apache.org<mailto:mark@cloudstack.apache.org> Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 5:08:00 PM Subject: Re: Packt Book - Publish on our website?

I see both sides of the argument.

Positive side: We need quality books and content to bring more people on board with ACS.

Negative side: By mentioning a book on official ACS page, we are inderectly recommending the
publication, and if we begin being selective on what we recommend (we dont want
incompetent books), we get ourself into a wrong business. Once the book is
published in print - its not easy to pull the books of the shelf, revise and
reprint or discard them in trashbin, due to all costs involved. Telling
publisher your book sucks, has errors, or plain wrong - won't help with sunked
in costs, since they are not going to pull the book of the shelf post print - so
bad press lives on.

Sebastian and Kelcey, im not against good content or books for ACS, im against
hurting ACS image by poor publishers and inturn setting authors and publishers
against us because their book did not get mentioned on ACS page. Unless you want to be indiscriminant and mention all books that have CloudStack
in their title and mention "we are not responsible for this content neither do
we endorse it" (which may cover us to some extent, but really does not help with
bad/poorly written books). Also imagine there are 20 books, who gets the spotlight and who will be on the
bottom? If im author or publisher I want my book always to get the spotlight,
like google search result people tend to get fixated on the first 5.

Reason I proposed to stay neutral, is for us not to deal with all of the above.

How do you propose we deal with negative points above?

-------- Original message -------- From: Noah Slater <nsla@apache.org<mailto:nsla@apache.org>> Date: To: mark@cloudstack.apache.org<mailto:mark@cloudstack.apache.org> Subject: Re: Packt Book - Publish on our website?

On 24 May 2013 23:06, Sebastien Goasguen
<run@gmail.com<mailto:run@gmail.com>> wrote:

Not well enough apparently because I still don't get them.

Maybe you could list the opposing arguments and why you don't agree with them?

(Me repeating them is likely to just take us round in circles.)