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Jean T. AndersonDec 16, 2005 5:17 pm 
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Noel J. BergmanDec 16, 2005 7:38 pm 
Martin CooperDec 16, 2005 8:03 pm 
Henri YandellDec 16, 2005 9:26 pm 
Antonio GallardoDec 16, 2005 9:37 pm 
Mark ThomasDec 17, 2005 2:33 am 
robert burrell donkinDec 17, 2005 7:01 am 
Stefano MazzocchiDec 17, 2005 7:10 am 
Noel J. BergmanDec 17, 2005 8:26 am 
Jean T. AndersonDec 17, 2005 9:07 am 
Mark ThomasDec 17, 2005 9:08 am 
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Thorsten ScherlerDec 17, 2005 9:49 am 
Mark ThomasDec 18, 2005 11:40 am 
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Sylvain WallezDec 20, 2005 3:50 am 
Jean T. AndersonDec 20, 2005 8:34 am 
Ted HustedJan 1, 2006 4:55 am 
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Subject:Re: At what point do you unsubscribe/deny a misbehaving user?
From:Mark Thomas (
Date:Dec 18, 2005 11:40:02 am

Noel J. Bergman wrote:

Mark Thomas wrote:

Noel J. Bergman wrote:

what thickness of skin should be required of participants on our lists?

Thick enough to take to criticism, whether it be right or wrong, and to respond in a positive manner.

Personal attacks of any form or degree are not acceptable behaviour and therefore we should not require people to have thick enough skin to ignore them.

Can you elaborate on this, framing it in terms of policy and practice?

I'll try.

Policy: 1. Criticism must be constructive and include a justification. 2. Criticism must never be personal. Criticise the proposal, not the person making it. 3. Personal attacks are never acceptable.

Practice: Following the above, providing one counts to ten before responding to the more inflammatory posts, isn't too difficult. The difficult part is what to do when someone crosses the line. I don't think a standard response can be developed as the right response will vary on a case by case basis. Possible factors to consider when framing a response may include context, motivation, nature of transgression, etc.

Generally I would advocate (in no particular order): 1. Lead by example (mainly aimed at committers). 2. Remember that Apache is world-wide community and that each person's understanding of the nuances of the English language may be different. 3. Give people the benefit of the doubt. E-mail is a very impersonal communication medium and it is very easy for something meant as an off-hand joke to be seen as offensive. If a comment can be taken two ways, assume the more positive one was intended. 4. Expect to make embarrassing mistakes and to have them pointed out in public. This is the nature of open source. 5. If attacked, don't attack back. 6. Always be polite.