atom feed107 messages in org.apache.communityRe: Rules for Revolutionaries
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Craig R. McClanahanNov 8, 2002 6:05 pm 
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22 later messages
Subject:Re: Rules for Revolutionaries
From:James Duncan Davidson (dun@x180.net)
Date:Nov 9, 2002 3:37:32 pm
List:org.apache.community

On Thursday, Nov 7, 2002, at 07:33 US/Central, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:

The idea of Duncan was to try to reduce those 'ego forces' by allowing *any* committer to propose an 'internal fork' where he could show off his/her ideas to the development community.

Well, and to reduce the ego forces in play at exactly the time at which the document was written. My motivation at the time wasn't to find something truly great, but to find an argument that would capture the state of the art at the time as well as satisfying all parties and letting us move forward with the task of getting on with Catalina and Tomcat in parallel.

So much, in fact, that Duncam himself doesn't believe anymore on them. But we'll come to that later.

I do and I don't. I don't dismiss them out of hand, and I think that there have been successes. But in many cases, there hasn't been consistent application. And even where there have been successes, there hasn't been backbone in its application.

Most of all at the current moment I believe that open source is driven by individuals who choose to come together or not depending on situation. Group dynamics take away from the business of getting on with code. By playing group games, we set into play a situation where neither the software, nor (more importantly) the group of users of that software are well served. RfR is somewhat a group politic ruleset. Those are necessary in some cases, not in others.

But I'm still contemplating the past, present, my actions, and the results of those actions. I'm sure that my opinions will change over time. It's the only constant, no?