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Gord TannerJul 20, 2012 4:20 pm 
Filip MajJul 21, 2012 3:12 pm 
Ross GardlerJul 21, 2012 8:00 pm 
gtan...@gmail.comJul 22, 2012 9:41 am 
Laurent HassonJul 22, 2012 10:02 am 
eduardo pelegri-llopartJul 22, 2012 10:16 am 
Ross GardlerJul 22, 2012 10:19 am 
Paul PlaquetteJul 23, 2012 2:26 am 
Laurent HassonJul 24, 2012 6:15 pm 
Filip MajJul 25, 2012 10:45 am 
Dan SilivestruJul 25, 2012 11:02 am 
Michael BrooksJul 25, 2012 5:12 pm 
Paul PlaquetteJul 26, 2012 6:57 am 
gtan...@gmail.comJul 26, 2012 7:06 am 
Jukka ZittingJul 26, 2012 7:25 am 
Ross GardlerJul 26, 2012 7:53 am 
Filip MajJul 26, 2012 10:04 am 
Ken WallisJul 26, 2012 10:51 am 
Filip MajJul 26, 2012 11:10 am 
gtan...@gmail.comJul 26, 2012 11:18 am 
Ross GardlerJul 26, 2012 11:36 am 
Brian LeRouxJul 26, 2012 11:49 am 
Filip MajJul 26, 2012 1:29 pm 
Ross GardlerJul 26, 2012 1:58 pm 
Jukka ZittingJul 30, 2012 6:53 am 
Ross GardlerJul 30, 2012 7:04 am 
Jukka ZittingJul 30, 2012 7:06 am 
Ross GardlerJul 30, 2012 7:31 am 
Michael BrooksJul 30, 2012 8:56 am 
Ross GardlerJul 30, 2012 9:21 am 
Gord TannerJul 30, 2012 2:18 pm 
Ross GardlerJul 31, 2012 7:49 am 
Jukka ZittingJul 31, 2012 10:03 am 
Dan SilivestruJul 31, 2012 10:07 am 
Gord TannerAug 2, 2012 8:58 am 
Ross GardlerAug 3, 2012 12:52 am 
Dan SilivestruAug 3, 2012 5:24 am 
Subject:Re: DISCUSS: Ripple as a sub-project of Cordova
From:Jukka Zitting (
Date:Jul 31, 2012 10:03:04 am


On Tuesday, July 31, 2012, Ross Gardler wrote:

On 30 July 2012 22:18, Gord Tanner < <javascript:;>> wrote:

Our main goal for Ripple being in the ASF is to try to build community around it and get the cordova / mobile web app developer bases behind it and able to contribute to it without the "This belongs to RIM" mindset we are getting now.

That's a very good start ;-)


The broader community goal is best served by being a separate podling.

The narrower Cordova goal might be better served by being a sub-project and, as Jukka said, you can always spin-out of Cordova as a TLP later.

Or vice versa, if Ripple on its own doesn't end up attracting a community beyond that of Cordova, it's also possible to "spin-in" later to a Cordova subproject.

Based on the discussion so far it sounds like Ripple has the makings of a great Apache project also on its own, especially with co-operation and some committer overlap with Cordova.

This may be getting off topic now for the cordova mailing lists so who do I talk to from ASF to start setting up the donation of Ripple?

First off you need a Champion. Their role is to help guide you through the proposal process which is described at [1]. The role of champion is defined at [2]

You'll also need some Apache mentors to help once you get started. I'd be happy to volunteer.


On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 12:21 PM, Ross Gardler <>wrote:

On 30 July 2012 16:56, Michael Brooks <> wrote:

If Ripple was donated as a standalone project, then a shared general@mailing-list between Cordova and Ripple would be very nice.

IMHO such lists don't (often) make sense. Jukka made the suggestion using Hadoop as an example of a consortium of projects. However, there is (to my knowledge - Jukka will correct me if I'm wrong) no such list for Hadoop.

What topics would need to be discussed on a general mailing list between the two projects which could not be adequately carried out on the more focused project list?

Unless there is a very surprising answer to the above question, the way I see it the options are...

- Ripple as a sub-project of Cordova with all development on cordova-dev (potential for too much non-cordova discussion) - example lucene and friends

- Ripple as a new podling with all development on ripple-dev and cordova-dev (interested cordova and ripple devs cross-subscribe) - example hadoop and friends

Remember, this is only my opinion based on my observations of what works in the ASF today - the ASF is a flexible place. Changes to old approaches can be adopted when good reason to do so is presented.


On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 7:31 AM, Ross Gardler <>wrote:

On 30 July 2012 15:06, Jukka Zitting <>



On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 8:18 PM, <> wrote:

I sometimes see cordova not as a specific platform (or set of



as a leader

in the open mobile web. If we are able to step away from the

idea of

cordova being

a singular platform but the bleeding edge of mobile web r & d it


sense to

have ripple be a part of that.

A good example of how such a vision is being realized at the ASF is the Hadoop project that has given birth to a growing ecosystem of related cloud and big data projects at and around the ASF. Instead of Hadoop hosting related projects like HBase, Pig, ZooKeeper, etc. as subprojects under a single PMC, it simply acts as a central focus point for a larger cluster of projects.

I'd love to see Cordova increasingly position itself as such a focus point for mobile web projects both within and outside the ASF.


One concrete idea towards such a goal could be to start a general@mailing list as a shared forum like the one Hadoop has for discussions that reach beyond the boundaries of individual projects or codebases.

I'm not sure we're ready for that yet. What other projects would be interested in this?

Possibly Wookie (W3C Widget engine), others?