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|Noah Slater||May 23, 2013 11:27 am|
|Kelcey Jamison Damage||May 23, 2013 11:28 am|
|Sebastien Goasguen||May 24, 2013 1:20 am|
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|Noah Slater||May 24, 2013 2:44 am|
|Noah Slater||May 24, 2013 2:47 am|
|Joe Brockmeier||May 24, 2013 6:45 am|
|kel...@backbonetechnology.com||May 24, 2013 8:29 am|
|Joe Brockmeier||May 24, 2013 11:19 am|
|Musayev, Ilya||May 24, 2013 1:12 pm|
|Chip Childers||May 24, 2013 1:21 pm|
|Kelcey Jamison Damage||May 24, 2013 1:34 pm|
|Sebastien Goasguen||May 24, 2013 1:54 pm|
|Kelcey Jamison Damage||May 24, 2013 2:06 pm|
|Noah Slater||May 24, 2013 3:01 pm|
|Sebastien Goasguen||May 24, 2013 3:06 pm|
|Noah Slater||May 24, 2013 3:20 pm|
|Musayev, Ilya||May 24, 2013 5:08 pm|
|Kelcey Jamison Damage||May 24, 2013 5:52 pm|
|Musayev, Ilya||May 24, 2013 11:12 pm|
|Giles Sirett||May 25, 2013 6:35 am|
|Geoff Higginbottom||May 25, 2013 10:07 am|
|kel...@backbonetechnology.com||May 25, 2013 10:28 am|
|Noah Slater||May 25, 2013 11:36 am|
|Kelly Hair||May 25, 2013 12:54 pm|
|kel...@backbonetechnology.com||May 25, 2013 2:00 pm|
|Giles Sirett||May 25, 2013 2:11 pm|
|Geoff Higginbottom||May 26, 2013 3:49 am|
|Noah Slater||May 26, 2013 6:33 am|
|Subject:||Re: Packt Book - Publish on our website?|
|From:||Kelly Hair (kell...@citrix.com)|
|Date:||May 25, 2013 12:54:21 pm|
Wonder if it's best to come up with 3 options to vote yeah/nah on. Is it too early to vote on?
I'm on a plane so may be missing the most recent on this thread. Did see before boarding on my mobile that Giles had a good suggestion of having an "unendorsed/unofficial community" section of the page.
So.. options could be: 1) Do not create a list of external information sources. 2) Create an endorsed/official list of external information services 3) Create an unendorsed/"caveat emptor" list of external information services.
Agree with the concern of mind share Giles pointed out should option 1 win out. So, personally I'd vote no to option 1 but yes to both options 2 & 3.
PS - apologies if this is repeat by the time I sync up!
On 5/24/13 3:01 PM, "Noah Slater" <nsla...@apache.org> wrote:
On 24 May 2013 21:54, Sebastien Goasguen <run...@gmail.com> wrote:
Quite flabbergasted actually. What's wrong with a book icon on a webpage ?
We've been over the opposing arguments several time in this thread.
Checking their book for sanity is a 10 minute deal, one evening if you want to be thorough.
I think you underestimate how much time it takes to review a book for quality. Or perhaps we have different interpretations of what a review would comprise. Note that David spent several evenings on this (I believe) before he found a problem.
We are spending more time discussing it than it would take doing it. Having the Packt book is terrific, there is no being neutral about this.
Discussion-lead consensus-building is an important part of how we make decisions. :) And it's up to the community to decide how neutral or circumspect we wish to be about third-party resources.
On 24 May 2013 22:06, Kelcey Jamison Damage <kel...@bbits.ca> wrote:
I can't imagine this has anything to do with the quality of work at this point but is primarily a political discussion.
Yes, I believe we are talking about the general case here. (Note: not "political" but "project".)
I do think the fact I hammered into Packt the value of being a friend of the community and following our rules, and product usage guidelines resulted in an offer to donate 2% of revenue to the project, is another strong gesture of positivity.
Agreed. Similarly, when people donate to us, they get a mention on http://www.apache.org/foundation/thanks.html ‹ but nothing more. We never endorse people in return for their contributions.
A lot of time and effort went into this book from a community perspective and not a commercial one. Yes someone is making money, but at least Packt reached out and got committers and community members to co-write/advise/edit the book prior to publication, and then after publication reached back out to the community. Those action have impressed me greatly.
I don't think anyone has any problem with people making money off the back of CloudStack. Strikes me as a great thing!
I am not sure how assisting the community in locating print materials is bad for us in any way.
The arguments have been covered a few times in this thread already.