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Jesse VincentOct 31, 2009 10:20 am 
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Curtis JewellOct 31, 2009 1:22 pm 
David E. WheelerOct 31, 2009 3:48 pm 
jesseOct 31, 2009 4:53 pm 
jesseOct 31, 2009 4:59 pm 
jesseOct 31, 2009 5:10 pm 
David GoldenOct 31, 2009 6:43 pm 
jesseOct 31, 2009 8:31 pm 
David GoldenNov 1, 2009 5:08 am 
Jesse VincentOct 31, 2011 3:28 pm 
AbigailOct 31, 2011 3:42 pm 
Leon TimmermansOct 31, 2011 3:44 pm 
Ricardo SignesOct 31, 2011 3:49 pm 
Paul JohnsonNov 1, 2011 3:48 am 
Dave MitchellNov 1, 2011 4:14 am 
Alberto SimõesNov 1, 2011 6:28 am 
David GoldenNov 1, 2011 6:33 am 
Craig A. BerryNov 1, 2011 5:03 pm 
Jesse VincentNov 1, 2011 7:51 pm 
Shlomi FishNov 7, 2011 7:49 am 
Ricardo SignesApr 24, 2016 5:00 am 
Father ChrysostomosApr 24, 2016 7:26 am 
Ricardo SignesApr 24, 2016 8:03 am 
Samuel SmithApr 24, 2016 10:42 am 
Alberto SimõesApr 24, 2016 10:47 am 
Shlomi FishApr 24, 2016 11:08 am 
Father ChrysostomosApr 24, 2016 5:19 pm 
Sawyer XApr 25, 2016 2:56 am 
Shlomi FishApr 25, 2016 8:55 am 
Peter RabbitsonApr 25, 2016 9:36 am 
Shlomi FishApr 25, 2016 12:09 pm 
Georg MoritzApr 25, 2016 2:05 pm 
Jim CromieApr 25, 2016 3:35 pm 
Glenn GoldenApr 25, 2016 3:43 pm 
Andy DoughertyApr 26, 2016 8:23 am 
Josh JuranApr 26, 2016 10:35 am 
Karl WilliamsonApr 26, 2016 6:31 pm 
AbigailApr 27, 2016 2:39 am 
Shlomi FishApr 30, 2016 12:53 am 
Subject:The Great Pumpkin
From:Jesse Vincent (
Date:Oct 31, 2009 10:20:15 am

When I was a kid, Halloween was always an exciting time of the year. One of the highlights of any Halloween was a Peanuts/Charlie Brown special called "The Great Pumpkin[1][2]" Each year, Linus would spend Halloween in a pumpkin patch awaiting the arrival of the "Great Pumpkin". The Great Pumpkin is a Santa-Claus like figure. He does bring toys like Santa. But unlike Santa, who gives away toys because it's his job, he gives away toys because it's the right thing to do[3]. Linus never gets to meet the Great Pumpkin, but that doesn't shake his faith. He waits patiently.

I'm tired of being Linus. And I don't want perl porters around the world to spend their Halloweens wondering whether there is a Great Pumpkin or not.

To this end, I asked our former pumpkings for their blessing to pick up the patch pumpkin and shepherd 5.12 into existence.

After talking with a fair number of folks over the course of the spring and summer, I have, I hope, gotten us onto a monthly schedule for blead with a release engineering talent pool a few people deep. 5.11.1 definitely went much more smoothly than 5.11.0. We'll see how much Yves wants to maim me after he does 5.11.2 on the 20th. But every release gets more automated and every release gets smoother. blead is on a reasonable trajectory. Already, we're starting to see contributors stepping up to test and stabilize in advance of the monthly releases.

At this point, it's time to start planning for 5.12, 5.14 and forward. Rafael has suggested "Perl 5.12 for Christmas." At this point, we will be lucky if we hit Coptic Christmas[4]. However, I would rather aim for Christmas 2009 and miss than aim for "some date later in the future" and miss.

The plan for Perl 5 Release 12 is as follows:

* Blead will feature-freeze on November 21. (just after Yves ships 5.11.2) After that point, no feature should be added or removed from blead. After that point, dual-lifed modules should only be updated from CPAN versions to fix major bugs or security issues. Exceptions will be considered on a case by case basis.

* See if anyone tries to kill me in my sleep

* We will polish and bugfix and push on others to fix bugs in blead/5.12-to-be until we have something that we feel is of a higher quality than the current release of 5.10.

(During this time, monthly release of blead will continue)

* When I believe that blead is of sufficient quality to ship, I'll issue a final call for testing in advance of an RC.

* Get former pumpkings to sanity-check the release-worthyness. If they give us a "no-go", we'll iterate until they consider the state of blead to be a solid, shippable 5.12.0.

* Ship 5.12.0RC1

* Yell at people to test the RC

* Yell at people to test the RC

* Yell at people to test the RC

* Ship RC_ to fix bugs found/reported/discovered to be serious enough to block a release.

* Repeat as necessary

* Ship 5.12.0

* Yell at people to test 5.12.0

* Ship 5.12.1RC1 30 days after 5.12.0 with whatever bugfixes, cleanups, improvements were found to be necessary when users _actually_ test the release.

* Ship 5.12.1 with a methodology similar to that used for 5.12.0

* branch maint-5.12 and reopen the blead tree

Assuming that we're happy with the results, my intent is that we spin up the same process for Perl 5 Release 14 next October or November.

Historically, our pumpking has been:

* our release engineer * our mediator * our decision maker * our project manager * our primary patch applier * our hard-core C code reviewer * our internals guru * our language designer * our sacrificial punching bag * and many other things...

I'm doing what I can to delegate and automate release engineering, though I know that the ultimate responsibility always falls on the person stubborn enough to claim responsibility. Many other parts of the pumpking role are the sorts of things I spent a lot of time on when I was foolhardy enough to stare into the gaping maw of Perl 6 as their nominal project manager.

My language design tends to the conservative. I'd rather see the core made more flexible, extensible and easier to maintain than see language features added or removed.

I am not a skilled C hacker. I don't expect to magically become a skilled C hacker. I am not a perlguts rockstar. I'm going to have to lean on those of you who _are_ excellent C and perlguts hackers, but that's work you're already doing (and that I'm grateful for).

Best, Jesse

[1] Yes, the same special every year. I had a very boring and sheltered childhood.



[4] Thursday, January 7, 2010 (December 25 on the Julian Calendar)