atom feed22 messages in com.ubuntu.lists.ubuntu-ukRe: [ubuntu-uk] Learning Ubuntu....
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JohnMar 4, 2009 3:09 pm 
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Liam ProvenMar 5, 2009 4:57 am 
Sean MillerMar 5, 2009 5:01 am 
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Ian BetteridgeMar 5, 2009 5:13 am 
Tony ArnoldMar 5, 2009 6:12 am 
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Sean MillerMar 5, 2009 9:10 am 
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JohnMar 5, 2009 12:08 pm 
Philip StubbsMar 5, 2009 12:50 pm 
Sean MillerMar 5, 2009 1:04 pm 
Alan James JenkinsMar 5, 2009 3:27 pm 
Liam ProvenMar 5, 2009 6:19 pm 
Subject:Re: [ubuntu-uk] Learning Ubuntu....
From:Liam Proven (lpro@gmail.com)
Date:Mar 5, 2009 6:19:21 pm
List:com.ubuntu.lists.ubuntu-uk

2009/3/5 Philip Stubbs <phi@stuphi.co.uk>:

No. I guess my memory could be wrong, but I am certain I was using a VAX VMS system running some form of X windowing system and it had the xman program. I can picture myself at the machine I used, and in that part of the office all the machines were VAX VMS based. The only other machines were some state of the art 25 MHz 386's :-) and a couple of IBM RS6000 boxes running AIX. It was a little while before they would let me play with the IBM's as they were the new toys.

Oh, well, VAXen did indeed run X.11, AKA X windows... But on VMS, not on Unix.

Your general point - that reading man pages is a good way to learn - I entirely agree with, but your example is incorrect.

Thanks for that. For some reason, I find it interesting to hear how people tackle learning to use a computer or Linux for the first time. As we have discovered, my memory may not be that great, and I can't remember what I went through to learn some of the stuff that I now take for granted. I find it really hard when people ask questions to things that I think should be self evident. Having a complete newbie document what they find, and how they struggle with and overcome issues helps me to keep a fresh perspective. Also, it helps to make clear what aspects are not as transparent as they could or should be.

This is a very common thing, I find. Most people do not know how they learn stuff. I used to train people for a living, and it amazes me how little people know about what they need to know.

Show me a 20-step operation, and my notes will have 25 or 30 steps, just in case. I *know* I will forget stuff.

But I show people 20-step operations and they write down 3 or 4. And lo and behold, next week, they can't remember how to do it.

I find it very hard to understand, but then, I find people hard to understand...