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| Andreas | 09 Nov 2003 10:19 | |
| Roger Baklund | 09 Nov 2003 11:34 | |
| Andreas | 09 Nov 2003 19:55 | |
| Karam Chand | 10 Nov 2003 01:05 | |
| Martijn Tonies | 10 Nov 2003 02:01 | |
| Martijn Tonies | 10 Nov 2003 02:49 | |
| Nils Valentin | 10 Nov 2003 06:00 | |
| Nils Valentin | 10 Nov 2003 06:02 | |
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| Nils Valentin | 10 Nov 2003 06:10 | |
| Nils Valentin | 11 Nov 2003 05:28 |
| Subject: | Fwd: Re: ANN: Database Workbench 2.4 released![]() |
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| From: | Nils Valentin (vale...@be-known-online.com) |
| Date: | 11/10/2003 06:08:50 AM |
| List: | com.mysql.lists.mysql |
Hi List members,
I just forward this for completeness of the thread .
Best regards
Nils Valentin Tokyo/Japan http://www.be-known-online.com/mysql
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Subject: Re: ANN: Database Workbench 2.4 released Date: Monday 10 November 2003 22:15 From: "Martijn Tonies" <m.to...@upscene.com> To: <vale...@be-known-online.com>
Hi Nils,
thanks for the reply. You replied to me offline, so I keep it that way (if
you
want it so;-)
Actually, you started it in the last reply :-)
btw, thank you for your reply, I appreciate your comments.
I already mentioned that I like Open source products, there is a good
reason
for that, which I would like to explain. When I buy a product I want to
use
it for a long time. Ideally I want to be able to modify things within the software to my needs. An I believe that open source products are good for this, for other things as well.
They sure are good for that. Although I'm unsure if everything does it that way - on a personal account, I am using open source products as well, but never have felt the need to modify a single one of them.
I installed the software on a Windows 98 machine. The lowest speck machine which I have (I always do this with new software).
The speed seems to be reasonable (nothing to complain here ;-)
I accessed a few Mysql databases when I got an "Abstract error".
If you could retrace your steps and explain what you're doing here, than it would be very useful. If you could give me simple instructions like step 1, do this, step 2, do that - I would very much like to have them.
When you choose the Blob Editor and try to access a database which you
dont
have access for then a screen tells me " Access violation at address
4002F584
in module "RTL70.BPL" Read of address FFFFFFFF"
Really? Can you explain in more detail?
While the software contains possibly all kind of tools and features I dont think that the design of the interface is intuitive.
The File menu has a point called Preferences. Is there a point in listing
up
the single sub sections when they lead to the same window containing all properties ?
Actually, it has always been that way and no-one complained. Seems I gotta change the behaviour then :-)
Also the functions should be grouped context sensitive. ( I believe DbVisualizer is a good sample here). See how the context of the menu
changes
with the user interactions (try the export functions).
The main menu (top of the screen) is fixed. The context sensitive menus in the Enterprise Manager and Database Navigator change all the time.
I would perhaps place the tool buttons on a vertical bar between the left
and
the right window, letting the image icons change depending which tool you have chosen to see. the tools would be shown in tabs, so that the user
sees
basically only 1 tab at a time (unless he wants to see more windows than
he
should be able to cascade the windows or arrange them on the screen).
This is more of a UI preference. Many people like the current interface...
I dont believe in Error No xxx messages. The window should display the
meaning
for the user. f.e
Not: error 1045 but: This combination of username, hostname,db and password is invalid.
Could you please clarify where this pops up? Would this error come straight from the MySQL client?
Also I dont like popup windows reminding me that I have to register the software evrytime when I start the software or click on a special feature. That can be mentioned decently in the statusbar once or always, but NO
POPUPS
- hope you got this ;-)
Sorry, that's a trial version...
The Wizard screens remind me of another software called SQLyog (available
here
http://www.webyog.com/) which was freely available for quite a while ;-) , its right now 30 - 50$.
Haha - I've seen that tool. You know what the biggest difference is between the wizards? My graphics were drawn by me while the SQLyog graphics were taken/copied from the Microsoft SQL Server Enterprise Manager tool. Every graphic in it.
Perhaps the mixture of tools is unique the way you present them ;-) , but
I
certainly think that the GUI could need a good and thoroughly sorting for the functions. Think about it this way "KISS" - Keep it stupid simple.
To
many options is like trying to find your car key in the forest (or so ;-).
Anyway thats my opinion. I could probaly go on like this for a while... At
the
end its the user who decides which products he likes and my result is that this product still needs lots of improvements regarding the GUIs
intuitivity
(and the pricing and the license model of course;-).
Things improve over time, I believe that every release, beta-testers come up with new things that they like so and so. Of course, one can never argue about taste - I actually do get quite some comments saying that many tools can be found exactly where people expect them to be... :-)
Could you please reply with a message with more info about the errors you found?
With regards,
Martijn Tonies Database Workbench - developer tool for InterBase, Firebird & MS SQL Server. Upscene Productions http://www.upscene.com
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-- Nils Valentin Tokyo/Japan




