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107 messages in org.apache.communityRe: The Apache Jakarta Law (Scientific?)| From | Sent On | Attachments |
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| Craig R. McClanahan | Nov 8, 2002 5:57 pm | |
| Craig R. McClanahan | Nov 8, 2002 6:04 pm | |
| Sam Ruby | Nov 8, 2002 6:16 pm | |
| Andrew C. Oliver | Nov 8, 2002 6:37 pm | |
| Andrew C. Oliver | Nov 8, 2002 6:40 pm | |
| Ceki Gülcü | Nov 9, 2002 12:29 am | |
| Jeff Turner | Nov 9, 2002 2:44 am | |
| Stefano Mazzocchi | Nov 9, 2002 3:26 am | |
| Stefano Mazzocchi | Nov 9, 2002 4:13 am | |
| Stefano Mazzocchi | Nov 9, 2002 4:25 am | |
| Andrew C. Oliver | Nov 9, 2002 4:27 am | |
| Stefano Mazzocchi | Nov 9, 2002 4:31 am | |
| Stefano Mazzocchi | Nov 9, 2002 4:35 am | |
| Andrew C. Oliver | Nov 9, 2002 4:36 am | |
| Danny Angus | Nov 9, 2002 4:39 am | |
| Stefano Mazzocchi | Nov 9, 2002 4:50 am | |
| Martin van den Bemt | Nov 9, 2002 5:21 am | |
| Ceki Gülcü | Nov 9, 2002 6:28 am | |
| Costin Manolache | Nov 9, 2002 8:49 am | |
| Sam Ruby | Nov 9, 2002 9:29 am | |
| Costin Manolache | Nov 9, 2002 10:23 am | |
| Ceki Gülcü | Nov 9, 2002 10:49 am | |
| Ceki Gülcü | Nov 9, 2002 10:58 am | |
| Stefano Mazzocchi | Nov 9, 2002 12:32 pm | |
| James Duncan Davidson | Nov 9, 2002 3:29 pm | |
| James Duncan Davidson | Nov 9, 2002 3:37 pm | |
| Chuck Murcko | Nov 9, 2002 6:07 pm | |
| Rodent of Unusual Size | Nov 10, 2002 5:29 am | |
| Ceki Gülcü | Nov 10, 2002 6:21 am | |
| James Duncan Davidson | Nov 10, 2002 9:14 am | |
| Stefano Mazzocchi | Nov 11, 2002 7:05 pm | |
| Stephen McConnell | Nov 11, 2002 7:26 pm | |
| Sam Ruby | Nov 11, 2002 7:41 pm | |
| Jeff Turner | Nov 11, 2002 7:42 pm | |
| Stephen McConnell | Nov 11, 2002 7:43 pm | |
| Ovidiu Predescu | Nov 11, 2002 9:34 pm | |
| Ovidiu Predescu | Nov 11, 2002 9:35 pm | |
| Sam Ruby | Nov 11, 2002 9:50 pm | |
| Jeff Turner | Nov 11, 2002 11:17 pm | |
| Andrew C. Oliver | Nov 12, 2002 7:18 am | |
| Stefano Mazzocchi | Nov 12, 2002 7:24 am | |
| Martin van den Bemt | Nov 12, 2002 8:18 am | |
| Joe Schaefer | Nov 12, 2002 8:19 am | |
| Jeff Turner | Nov 12, 2002 8:20 am | |
| Andrew C. Oliver | Nov 12, 2002 8:28 am | |
| Henri Yandell | Nov 12, 2002 8:41 am | |
| Costin Manolache | Nov 12, 2002 9:57 am | |
| Costin Manolache | Nov 12, 2002 10:14 am | |
| Craig R. McClanahan | Nov 12, 2002 11:38 am | |
| Andrew C. Oliver | Nov 12, 2002 12:18 pm | |
| Glenn Nielsen | Nov 12, 2002 7:04 pm | |
| Stephen McConnell | Nov 13, 2002 2:23 am | |
| Rodent of Unusual Size | Nov 13, 2002 3:49 am | |
| Rodent of Unusual Size | Nov 13, 2002 3:55 am | |
| Rodent of Unusual Size | Nov 13, 2002 4:02 am | |
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| Stephen McConnell | Nov 13, 2002 4:20 am | |
| Stefano Mazzocchi | Nov 13, 2002 6:44 am | |
| Joe Schaefer | Nov 13, 2002 7:37 am | |
| Rodent of Unusual Size | Nov 13, 2002 8:49 am | |
| Costin Manolache | Nov 13, 2002 10:01 am | |
| Rodent of Unusual Size | Nov 13, 2002 10:15 am | |
| Sam Ruby | Nov 13, 2002 11:16 am | |
| Stefano Mazzocchi | Nov 13, 2002 11:44 am | |
| Costin Manolache | Nov 13, 2002 12:10 pm | |
| Rodent of Unusual Size | Nov 13, 2002 5:37 pm | |
| Roy T. Fielding | Nov 14, 2002 9:54 am | |
| Daniel Rall | Nov 15, 2002 2:44 pm | |
| Sam Ruby | Nov 15, 2002 7:28 pm | |
| Andrew C. Oliver | Nov 15, 2002 8:09 pm | |
| Henri Gomez | Nov 18, 2002 9:56 am | |
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| Subject: | Re: The Apache Jakarta Law (Scientific?) | Actions... |
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| From: | Andrew C. Oliver (acol...@apache.org) | |
| Date: | Nov 12, 2002 12:18:14 pm | |
| List: | org.apache.community | |
Alright, here you go. Get it out of your systems....
<flamebait degree="total"> so I hear 3.3 was a total waste of time and that 4.0 was the best thing ever and that 4.0 is way faster than 3.3. </flamebait>
<flamebait degree="total" mode="silly"> So I hear 4.0 was a big evil conspiricy on the part of Sun via Craig McClanahan who is really a drone for the borg and Scott M is actually the Hive Queen with a holigraphic field around him to make her look human. I hear 3.3 was the rightous product of REAL apache people. </flamebait>
Though I could be wrong...
-Andy :-D
Costin Manolache wrote:
So far it seems Stefano ( who is not currently a very active tomcat developer) is pissed off by the decisions made on tomcat-dev. I don't see too many tomcat developers flaming each other.
IMHO most ( or all ) tomcat developers agree that both code bases had some good and some bad parts. I also think most of the tomcat community is behind 5.0, which is a merge of ideas and code from both 3.3 and 4.x. And I think users were very well served, and the outcome is one of the best possible.
In the end we have a far better community and a lot more tolerance and understanding.
Costin
On Tue, 2002-11-12 at 08:28, Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
The Apache Jakarta Law:
Any discussion regarding Apache Jakarta will eventually degrade into a discussion about the Tomcat 3.3/4.0 issue, often including a full re-analysis of the events, revision of the history, and sometimes degrading into a full re-enactment of the emotionally charged flamewar that engulfed the Tomcat project at the time. Often even those who don't often participate in such "interesting uses of time" will even "match the judgement logic" necessary to participate in such a conversation.
I hope one day my Law is proven false. Perhaps if those involved were to take this on to a wiki and document all about it, the different view points and lessons learned, opposing lessons learned etc, we could one day make this law obsolete at least.
-Andy
Joe Schaefer wrote:
Stefano Mazzocchi <stef...@apache.org> writes:
[...]
I believe it was a mistake to allow two different codebases to share the same name.
I'm not convinced that "having two codebases" is necessarily a mistake. So far the discussion here seems to have centered around the concerns of the existing tomcat developers. I'd like to know what the tomcat users (ie. the future tomcat developers) think of the 3.x/4.x division.