I absolutely agree we should be getting input from the various communities
whether that's ZF, Symphony, Drupal, etc.. I do feel we get quite a bit of if
it's not enough it should keep coming with very clear proposals. It'd also help
if the frameworks would collaborate on such proposals. I know our ZF team has
collaborated with other framework teams on a variety of fronts. I do think this group does take clear proposals seriously but it's also
important to remember that there has to be a strong bias to avoid feature creep
and really focus on what's critical and not nice-to-have. There are proposals that come up time and time again like operator overloading
which just makes me cringe...

Andi