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Subject:Re: [PD] how to capture window-related mouse-events when toxy is discontinued?
From:Jonathan Wilkes (janc@yahoo.com)
Date:Nov 5, 2011 8:19:48 am
List:at.iem.pd-list

----- Original Message -----

From: Mathieu Bouchard <mat@artengine.ca> To: Jonathan Wilkes <janc@yahoo.com> Cc: katja <katj@gmail.com>; "pd-l@iem.at" <pd-l@iem.at> Sent: Saturday, November 5, 2011 10:41 AM Subject: Re: [PD] how to capture window-related mouse-events when toxy is
discontinued?

Le 2011-11-02 à 08:19:00, Jonathan Wilkes a écrit :

One thing is that any GUI objects created with [widget] cease to pass

messages when the containing window gets unmapped.

Is that a problem...? What problem does that cause ?

Well, if you threw a [tgl] into a subpatch or abstraction, got the object chain
that it's in working, then closed that window and the [tgl] no longer passes messages, it is extremely
likely that your patch will no longer work.

Granted one might be less likely to be embedding [widget] objects where they
won't be seen, but that requirement limits their usefulness.  For example, I can send a "set"
message to a [tgl], or change its color when it's unmapped-- not only can I not do that with [widget], but
I'll get an error if I try.

At least that's what I remember the last time I used [widget].  It also didn't
[loadbang] properly which was annoying.

-Jonathan

Anyway, Pd does weird things with unmapped window... It deletes all canvas-items whenever you minimise a window. I don't know whether it was ever useful to save RAM back in 1995 when 16M would cost between 640 $ and 2000 $ (remember the RAM shortage racket ?), but this behaviour is part of Pd, and you have to take into account, whether you use t_widgetbehavior or Toxy.

I don't remember whether DesireData preserved that behaviour, but it's possible that I didn't bother changing that (however, DD introduced additional layers so that C code would hardly know what Tk is).

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