66 messages in org.freebsd.freebsd-archRe: Bringing LPRng into FreeBSD? - Li...| From | Sent On | Attachments |
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| papo...@astart.com | Jul 5, 2000 7:31 pm | |
| Chuck Robey | Jul 7, 2000 7:32 pm | |
| Kelly Yancey | Jul 7, 2000 10:47 pm | |
| Warner Losh | Jul 7, 2000 11:25 pm | |
| papo...@astart.com | Jul 8, 2000 1:11 pm | |
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| Satoshi - Ports Wraith - Asami | Jul 9, 2000 12:14 am | |
| Daniel C. Sobral | Jul 9, 2000 4:55 am | |
| Chuck Robey | Jul 9, 2000 11:46 am | |
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| David O'Brien | Jul 10, 2000 3:51 am | |
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| Daniel C. Sobral | Jul 10, 2000 6:11 am | |
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| Chuck Robey | Jul 10, 2000 6:02 pm | |
| David O'Brien | Jul 10, 2000 11:58 pm | |
| Chuck Robey | Jul 11, 2000 5:07 am | |
| Darren Henderson | Jul 11, 2000 6:45 am | |
| Sheldon Hearn | Jul 11, 2000 6:51 am | |
| Neil Blakey-Milner | Jul 11, 2000 7:03 am | |
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| David O'Brien | Jul 11, 2000 9:20 am | |
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| David O'Brien | Jul 11, 2000 9:51 am | |
| Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group | Jul 11, 2000 10:21 am | |
| Narvi | Jul 11, 2000 10:43 am | |
| David O'Brien | Jul 11, 2000 11:04 am | |
| Sheldon Hearn | Jul 11, 2000 12:14 pm | |
| Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group | Jul 11, 2000 1:03 pm | |
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| Narvi | Jul 11, 2000 1:44 pm | |
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| Mike Pritchard | Jul 11, 2000 3:00 pm | |
| Chuck Robey | Jul 11, 2000 3:22 pm | |
| Wes Peters | Jul 11, 2000 4:10 pm | |
| Garance A Drosihn | Jul 11, 2000 4:27 pm | |
| Jeroen C. van Gelderen | Jul 11, 2000 6:38 pm | |
| Chuck Robey | Jul 11, 2000 8:18 pm | |
| Jeroen C. van Gelderen | Jul 11, 2000 9:25 pm | |
| Jack Rusher | Jul 11, 2000 9:44 pm | |
| Jordan K. Hubbard | Jul 11, 2000 10:27 pm | |
| Daniel C. Sobral | Jul 12, 2000 5:35 am | |
| Sheldon Hearn | Jul 12, 2000 5:59 am | |
| Jack Rusher | Jul 12, 2000 9:58 am | |
| Jordan K. Hubbard | Jul 12, 2000 12:51 pm | |
| Brian Dean | Jul 12, 2000 1:13 pm | |
| Jack Rusher | Jul 12, 2000 1:18 pm | |
| Mike Smith | Jul 12, 2000 1:55 pm | |
| papo...@astart.com | Jul 13, 2000 8:47 am | |
| Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group | Jul 13, 2000 11:22 am | |
| papo...@astart.com | Jul 14, 2000 2:53 pm |
| Subject: | Re: Bringing LPRng into FreeBSD? - License Issues | |
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| From: | Chuck Robey (chu...@picnic.mat.net) | |
| Date: | Jul 11, 2000 8:18:37 pm | |
| List: | org.freebsd.freebsd-arch | |
On Tue, 11 Jul 2000, Jeroen C. van Gelderen wrote:
Then how about we rip LPR from the base system and let people install the printing system they need from ports?
Yay! I think this is the correct approach for most software that isn't universally needed and for which 2 or more competing versions exist.
I disagree very strongly. This goes directly in the face of friendliness. Assume that *some* folks (and I say that tongue-in-cheek) are actually not gurus when they install FreeBSD ... they want (and very rightly expect) that a good assortment of default utilities exist so that they can take advantage of the capabilities of a good OS. I'm not saying we bundle everything, but I *am* saying that there are a minimum of utils that should NOT be divorced. Print is very definitely one of these.
PS. I think lpr ought not be in the base system. If however we include one it should be lprNG. Our lpr is crap.
That's going *way* too far. Our lpr is far from crap, and is maintained.
Seeing as the license thing is taken care of, I am no longer against LPRng, but I *am* against inflammatory false statements (seeming to say "everything but my personal choice is garbage"), and I am *very* much against making FreeBSD more user-unfriendly out of the box.
If I see LPRng getting brought in on wings of statements like that, I will oppose it. If I see LPRng (now that the license issue is settled) brought in for solid, proveable reasons, I'll be happy it happened.
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