atom feed28 messages in org.freebsd.freebsd-isdnRe: Suggestion (Was Re: Rates calcula...
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Barry ScottDec 31, 1998 4:52 am.dat
David WetzelDec 31, 1998 5:38 am 
Martin HusemannDec 31, 1998 8:42 am 
Hellmuth MichaelisDec 31, 1998 8:55 am 
David WetzelDec 31, 1998 9:42 am 
Barry ScottDec 31, 1998 10:05 am 
Barry ScottDec 31, 1998 10:32 am 
Martin HusemannJan 1, 1999 2:57 am 
Achim PatznerJan 1, 1999 6:37 am 
David WetzelJan 1, 1999 8:47 am 
Achim PatznerJan 1, 1999 10:36 am 
Hellmuth MichaelisJan 1, 1999 11:04 am 
Hellmuth MichaelisJan 1, 1999 11:17 am 
Hellmuth MichaelisJan 1, 1999 11:17 am 
Ignatios SouvatzisJan 1, 1999 11:20 am 
Martin HusemannJan 1, 1999 11:24 am 
Gary JennejohnJan 1, 1999 2:22 pm 
Barry ScottJan 1, 1999 2:48 pm 
David WetzelJan 1, 1999 3:38 pm 
Hellmuth MichaelisJan 2, 1999 1:21 am 
Gary JennejohnJan 2, 1999 1:51 am 
Martin HusemannJan 2, 1999 7:13 am 
David WetzelJan 2, 1999 7:24 am 
Achim PatznerJan 2, 1999 9:10 am 
Hellmuth MichaelisJan 2, 1999 9:43 am 
Martin HusemannJan 2, 1999 1:27 pm 
Achim PatznerJan 2, 1999 2:11 pm 
Barry ScottJan 3, 1999 8:10 am 
Subject:Re: Suggestion (Was Re: Rates calculations and the U.K. )
From:Hellmuth Michaelis (hm@kts.org)
Date:Jan 2, 1999 9:43:52 am
List:org.freebsd.freebsd-isdn

David Wetzel wrote:

This is impossible. You need a second card (or a chipset being able to "listen" on the tx wires) to be able to do this for everything on a given bus.

Someone told me that his ISDN card (which is in a linux box) can do this.

Would you please explain what is possible and what not?

Think about the following scenario: You have an S0 bus, an NT and two devices on the S0 bus, i.e. one ISDN telephone (TE1) and an machine running i4b (TE2):

|| || +--------- +------->--| R |+------>--| X || || | TE1 - ISDN telephone || +----<--| T || |+---<--| X || || +--------- || || || || +--------- +------->--| R |+------>--| X || || | TE2 - i4b machine || +----<--| T || |+---<--| X || || +--------- ^^ vv || || +------------+ | TX RX | | | | NT |

The NT's TX lines is connected to every TE's RX lines, so every TE can "hear" what the NT "says": This way anybody on the S0 bus "hears" who is calling.

The NT's RX lines are connected to every TE's TX lines so the NT is the _only_ (!) device, which can "hear" all the TE's TX lines: this means TE2 cannot "hear" whom TE1 is calling and vice versa.

In case you want to "hear" everything on the S0 bus, you have to put a second card into the i4b machine and connect that cards RX lines to the NT's RX lines, that way you are able to "hear" what every other device sends to the NT. This is supported in i4b in the isdntrace program by means of the so called "analyze mode" which i use heavily in the development of i4b: put 2 cheap card into a 386, solder a cable (documented in cable.txt) install FreeBSD & i4b and you have an ISDN bus analyzer almost for free (in case you recognize what commercial vendors will charge you for such a device).

Now, there is a mechanism specified to prevent contention of the S0 bus which involves some "echo" bits (explaining this here goes much too far, so in case you want to understand that, study the respective standards text) with which you might be able to read out the NT's RX lines on the TE side. Wether a manufacturer of a given chipset allows a programmer to access those echo bits depends on the chipset being used: the Siemens chipsets i4b currently supports do not have a mechanism built in to allow access to the echo bits.

Thats it.

hellmuth

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