atom feed64 messages in org.apache.incubator.generalRe: [PROPOSAL] Flex for Apache Incubator
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Subject:Re: [PROPOSAL] Flex for Apache Incubator
From:Raju Bitter (raju@googlemail.com)
Date:Dec 22, 2011 5:27:55 am
List:org.apache.incubator.general

Greg,

That's definitely not what I'm trying to do. Based on the feedback I've read here so far I'd say the following approach makes sense:

1) See that the contribution of the Flex SDK source code to Apache happens very soon, to give the Apache Flex community a chance to start working on it. This should have priority. Clear out any legal/trademark problems related to the Flex which need to be resolved in this phase.

2) Identify which things would have to be discussed with Adobe, e.g. ActionScript standardization, independent of the initial Flex SDK contribution. Identify what kind of information (or source code) might be valuable for the community, if there ever was the plan to build an independent runtime, and discuss with Adobe if they can provide any help with it.

3) Keep projects like Falcon separate from Apache Flex, until the Falcon team feels comfortable with the community to become involved with the project (since Falcon will improve compilation speed by factor 10 for ActionScript, and compilation time is a problem for many large applications, the community seems to have a lot of interest in getting Falcon out as quickly as possible).

4) Once Flex has been incubated, tackle other Adobe open source projects which might be related to Flex/ActionScript/Flash, e.g. + Falcon JS + BlazeDS + ...

What I DO want is clarity on how much influence Adobe can exercise indirectly on Flex/ActionScript WITHOUT involving the Apache community process (through changes in specifications which directly affect the Flex framework, the ActionScript compiler, or the runtime). If you are interested in a prospering, successful Apache Flex project, that should be in your interest as well.

But as Bertrand has said, I've raised the questions to early in the process.

Raju

On 12/22/11 11:30 AM, Greg Stein wrote:

On Dec 22, 2011 5:05 AM, "Raju Bitter" <raju@googlemail.com <mailto:raju@googlemail.com>> wrote:

... I know this message is very long, but I think these topics need some clarification.

Honestly? My read of your message(s) is, "let's ask for so much stuff at the start, that this podling/community can never even get started."

How about we recognize that some unique considerations exist, that Adobe is providing a great opportunity here, and let this nascent community actually get *started*?

-g