52 messages in uk.org.greenend.chiark.ukcryptoRe: Demon & DeCSS| From | Sent On | Attachments |
|---|---|---|
| Donald Ramsbottom | Sep 20, 2000 11:55 pm | |
| Richard Clayton | Sep 21, 2000 6:40 am | |
| Richard Watts | Sep 21, 2000 8:16 am | |
| Neil Dunbar | Sep 21, 2000 9:28 am | |
| Owen Blacker | Sep 21, 2000 10:46 am | |
| Donald Ramsbottom | Sep 21, 2000 11:10 am | |
| John Young | Sep 21, 2000 11:29 am | |
| John Young | Sep 21, 2000 11:41 am | |
| Richard Clayton | Sep 21, 2000 1:25 pm | |
| Richard Clayton | Sep 21, 2000 1:30 pm | |
| Dave Bird | Sep 21, 2000 2:12 pm | |
| Donald Ramsbottom | Sep 22, 2000 12:52 am | |
| Paul Leyland | Sep 22, 2000 1:30 am | |
| Owen Blacker | Sep 22, 2000 2:09 am | |
| Roland Perry | Sep 22, 2000 2:20 am | |
| Roland Perry | Sep 22, 2000 2:25 am | |
| Jon Ribbens | Sep 22, 2000 3:45 am | |
| David Howe | Sep 22, 2000 3:56 am | |
| Charles Lindsey | Sep 22, 2000 4:05 am | |
| David Howe | Sep 22, 2000 4:20 am | |
| Owen Blacker | Sep 22, 2000 4:55 am | |
| David Swarbrick | Sep 22, 2000 5:12 am | |
| Donald Ramsbottom | Sep 22, 2000 5:24 am | |
| Donald Ramsbottom | Sep 22, 2000 8:32 am | |
| Dave Bird | Sep 22, 2000 11:22 am | |
| Donald Ramsbottom | Sep 23, 2000 7:35 am | |
| Owen Blacker | Sep 23, 2000 8:24 am | |
| Dave Howe | Sep 23, 2000 3:25 pm | |
| Dave Bird | Sep 23, 2000 4:26 pm | |
| Dave Howe | Sep 23, 2000 4:38 pm | |
| David Swarbrick | Sep 24, 2000 6:00 am | |
| David Swarbrick | Sep 24, 2000 6:00 am | |
| Paul Crowley | Sep 24, 2000 11:07 am | |
| Richard Watts | Sep 25, 2000 3:53 am | |
| Charles Lindsey | Sep 25, 2000 7:09 am | |
| David Swarbrick | Sep 25, 2000 10:40 am | |
| David Swarbrick | Sep 25, 2000 1:13 pm | |
| Philip Rowlands | Sep 25, 2000 2:04 pm | |
| Dave Bird | Sep 25, 2000 7:35 pm | |
| David Swarbrick | Sep 25, 2000 11:04 pm | |
| Charles Lindsey | Sep 26, 2000 1:59 am | |
| Pete Chown | Sep 26, 2000 2:38 am | |
| Richard Watts | Sep 26, 2000 9:40 am | |
| Richard Watts | Sep 26, 2000 9:45 am | |
| Dave Bird | Sep 26, 2000 11:42 am | |
| Dave Bird | Sep 26, 2000 12:26 pm | |
| David Swarbrick | Sep 27, 2000 3:01 am | |
| David Swarbrick | Sep 27, 2000 3:01 am | |
| Jon Ribbens | Sep 27, 2000 3:46 am | |
| Dave Bird | Sep 27, 2000 7:52 am | |
| Dave Bird | Sep 27, 2000 11:53 am | |
| Benjamin Geer | Sep 27, 2000 6:41 pm |
| Subject: | Re: Demon & DeCSS | |
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| From: | Neil Dunbar (nd...@hplb.hpl.hp.com) | |
| Date: | Sep 21, 2000 9:28:50 am | |
| List: | uk.org.greenend.chiark.ukcrypto | |
Donald Ramsbottom wrote:
If someone has DeCSS on their site( in England & Wales), that is fine, if someone downloads it it is fine. If they use it to decrypt that is fine. What is not OK is then copying the decrypted material.
Do you mean copying and distributing further, or just copying (ie for personal use, or backup purposes)? I've never been clear if UK laws allow personal use copies without violating copyright law, or whether it's one of these "yes, it's technically illegal, but we'll never prosecute" affairs.
If copying itself was a violation, then a (software, or streaming) DVD player itself which temporarily cached decrypted data onto its hard disk would be in breach of copyright - which seems preposterous.
(Wasn't there some UK case which established that videotaping TV programmes for later viewing was legit? The 2600 case referred to this as "time-shifted" copying)
Neil
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