atom feed56 messages in org.freebsd.freebsd-stableRe: tail
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Panagiotis AstithasApr 30, 2001 2:33 am 
Oliver FrommeApr 30, 2001 5:03 am 
Donn MillerApr 30, 2001 6:23 am 
Rodney W. GrimesApr 30, 2001 8:43 am 
Ted FaberApr 30, 2001 9:00 am 
Chris ByrnesApr 30, 2001 9:08 am 
Arthur W. Neilson IIIApr 30, 2001 11:41 am 
Donn MillerApr 30, 2001 11:53 am 
Sue BlakeApr 30, 2001 12:35 pm 
Juha SaarinenApr 30, 2001 12:43 pm 
Lyndon NerenbergApr 30, 2001 12:48 pm 
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Dan LangilleApr 30, 2001 1:01 pm 
Fred GilhamApr 30, 2001 1:39 pm 
Juha SaarinenApr 30, 2001 2:02 pm 
Chad R. LarsonApr 30, 2001 6:27 pm 
Steve O'Hara-SmithApr 30, 2001 10:29 pm 
Jano LukacApr 30, 2001 10:37 pm 
Jordan HubbardMay 1, 2001 12:16 am 
Doug RussellMay 1, 2001 2:22 am 
Doug RussellMay 1, 2001 4:28 am 
Matthew HuntMay 1, 2001 9:36 am 
Christian ChenMay 2, 2001 12:33 am 
Oliver FrommeMay 2, 2001 2:55 am 
Subject:Re: tail
From:Doug Russell (drus@saturn-tech.com)
Date:May 1, 2001 2:22:53 am
List:org.freebsd.freebsd-stable

On Mon, 30 Apr 2001, Arthur W. Neilson III wrote:

This very functionality, being able to cat a directory, saved my butt some years ago on an unfamiliar sys5r2 box which had crashed and no filesystem but root would mount. ls wasn't in the path and I remembered I could use cat dirname as a crude ls in order to navigate. This helped me find fsck in an obscure
directory and repair the hosed filesystems and recover the system.

echo * is another handy way to do that sometimes when nothing is available.

I, also, have used the ability of most programs to read directories in an emergency situation. I also often use utilities like tail on binaries, etc. Just because your output is directed to a terminal doesn't mean a program shouldn't do what I want it to.

I've often though of these little nicities, and it seems to me that a broader approach should be taken. Someone with the time could start a package that could be installed, perhaps at various different levels, that would make things prettier, include extra error messages, perhaps, eliminate (block) some dangerous commands, easy access to help, some menued commands perhaps, etc. etc.

You could then put your machine in "user friendly" mode if desired, but those of us who expect Unix to behave like Unix can set it to mode 0. There could be levels in between without the "Are you sure you are really sure you answered the last are you sure question correctly?", but not quite totally bare.....

Just a few thoughts I've had burried for some time....

Later...... <Doug>

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