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| Hans-Christoph Steiner | Apr 18, 2006 4:34 pm | |
| Mark Polishook | Apr 18, 2006 6:23 pm | |
| dafydd hughes | Apr 18, 2006 9:33 pm | |
| Koray Tahiroglu | Apr 18, 2006 11:32 pm | |
| adam armfield | Apr 19, 2006 6:43 am | |
| derek holzer | Apr 19, 2006 8:07 am | |
| Hans-Christoph Steiner | Apr 19, 2006 4:20 pm | |
| David Powers | Apr 20, 2006 10:40 am | |
| Hans-Christoph Steiner | Apr 21, 2006 1:34 am | |
| Hans-Christoph Steiner | Apr 21, 2006 1:36 am | |
| adam | Apr 21, 2006 3:23 am | |
| adam | Apr 21, 2006 3:48 am | |
| IOhannes m zmoelnig | Apr 21, 2006 4:49 am | |
| IOhannes m zmoelnig | Apr 21, 2006 5:45 am | |
| Koray Tahiroglu | Apr 21, 2006 5:57 am | |
| B. Bogart | Apr 21, 2006 8:15 am | |
| dafydd hughes | Apr 21, 2006 8:24 am | |
| Hans-Christoph Steiner | Apr 22, 2006 11:04 am | |
| Hans-Christoph Steiner | Apr 22, 2006 11:06 am | |
| adam | Apr 23, 2006 10:13 am | |
| Hans-Christoph Steiner | Apr 25, 2006 9:06 am | |
| derek holzer | Apr 25, 2006 11:49 am | |
| David Powers | Apr 25, 2006 12:33 pm | |
| day 5 | Apr 25, 2006 12:39 pm | |
| João Miguel Pais | Apr 26, 2006 1:26 am |  .txt |
| adam | Apr 26, 2006 3:06 am | |
| Hans-Christoph Steiner | Apr 26, 2006 3:24 am | |
| Hans-Christoph Steiner | Apr 26, 2006 3:29 am | |
| Hans-Christoph Steiner | Apr 26, 2006 3:30 am | |
| David Powers | Apr 26, 2006 12:48 pm | |
| day 5 | Apr 26, 2006 1:53 pm | |
| Hans-Christoph Steiner | Apr 26, 2006 2:20 pm | |
| s.koepf | Apr 26, 2006 2:42 pm | |
| Mathieu Bouchard | Apr 28, 2006 4:13 pm | |
| Mathieu Bouchard | Apr 30, 2006 9:58 am | |
| Tim Blechmann | Apr 30, 2006 10:26 am | |
| Mathieu Bouchard | Apr 30, 2006 10:33 am | |
| Mathieu Bouchard | Apr 30, 2006 10:39 am | |
| Chris McCormick | Apr 30, 2006 6:21 pm | |
| Mathieu Bouchard | May 1, 2006 7:36 am | |
| Chris McCormick | May 1, 2006 6:37 pm | |
| Mathieu Bouchard | May 1, 2006 8:17 pm | |
| Mathieu Bouchard | May 1, 2006 9:13 pm | |
| Chris McCormick | May 1, 2006 10:47 pm | |
| Mathieu Bouchard | May 5, 2006 1:34 pm | |
| Arie van Schutterhoef | May 5, 2006 1:56 pm | |
| Mathieu Bouchard | May 5, 2006 2:12 pm | |
| Tim Blechmann | May 5, 2006 2:35 pm | |
| day 5 | May 5, 2006 4:55 pm | |
| Frank Barknecht | May 6, 2006 1:18 am | |
| Chris McCormick | May 6, 2006 5:56 am | |
| Arie van Schutterhoef | May 6, 2006 6:35 am | |
| Mathieu Bouchard | May 6, 2006 11:37 am | |
| Mathieu Bouchard | May 6, 2006 11:42 am | |
| Mathieu Bouchard | May 6, 2006 11:56 am | |
| Mathieu Bouchard | May 6, 2006 12:39 pm | |
| Arie van Schutterhoef | May 6, 2006 1:25 pm | |
| Frank Barknecht | May 6, 2006 3:09 pm | |
| Mathieu Bouchard | May 6, 2006 4:56 pm | |
| Arie van Schutterhoef | May 6, 2006 5:41 pm | |
| geiger | May 7, 2006 6:15 am | |
| Mathieu Bouchard | May 7, 2006 12:22 pm | |
| Arie van Schutterhoef | May 7, 2006 3:14 pm | |
| Chris McCormick | May 7, 2006 6:24 pm | |
| Chris McCormick | May 7, 2006 6:51 pm | |
| Mathieu Bouchard | May 7, 2006 8:37 pm | |
| geiger | May 8, 2006 3:20 am | |
| geiger | May 8, 2006 3:28 am | |
| Hans-Christoph Steiner | May 8, 2006 6:21 am | |
| Krzysztof Czaja | May 8, 2006 4:58 pm | |
| Mathieu Bouchard | May 8, 2006 10:51 pm | |
| Frank Barknecht | May 9, 2006 12:42 am | |
| Steffen | May 14, 2006 4:01 am | |
| B. Bogart | Aug 26, 2006 10:45 am | |
| Hans-Christoph Steiner | Aug 26, 2006 11:04 am |
| Subject: | Re: [PD] PDDP meeting? | |
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| From: | Chris McCormick (chr...@mccormick.cx) | |
| Date: | May 6, 2006 5:56:25 am | |
| List: | at.iem.pd-list | |
On Fri, May 05, 2006 at 11:35:44PM +0200, Tim Blechmann wrote:
On Fri, 2006-05-05 at 16:34 -0400, Mathieu Bouchard wrote:
that maybe the original intention of the Pd language isn't to be a fully fledged programming language, but instead an artist's tool with some dataflow programming-like features.
well, especially being an artistic tool, it shouldn't require the user to learn 1001 workarounds for trivial problems, nor should the user have to worry about obscure message vs. list problems ...
True. It guess you'd hope that it would be as easy as possible to make art with such a tool.
I'm always talking about what Pd could become and all I get answered is what Pd was meant to be.
i'm not sure, if anyone can say, what pd is meant to be ... but matju is right about one thing ... pd can't be improved, when everyone ignores it's weaknesses ("you don't want to load soundfiles clickfree", "you don't need to use tables on the x86_64 architecture") ...
I am not against making Pd better. I am not against talking about what features would be good in Pd. I am not against someone forking Pd and making something amazing and new and wonderful. I am not against somebody cloning all the ideas in Pd and making something which is a generic dataflow programming environment with all the bells and whilstles of a fully fledged programming language. That is all excellent - more great free software for all of us.
The thing I find tiresome is people's attitude and disrespect towards other developers when they find what they see as flaws in Pd. That is probably all in my head since nobody else seems to see it, and anyway, I'm not a developer so I should let others continue with their opinions and hostile attitudes, and leave it alone and just go back to making weird sounds with computers.
Apologies for the disturbance. Nothing to see, move along.
Best regards,
Chris.
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