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37 messages in org.kde.kde-core-develRe: Global Shortcuts| From | Sent On | Attachments |
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| Michael Jansen | Mar 16, 2008 7:49 pm | |
| Aaron J. Seigo | Mar 16, 2008 9:26 pm | |
| Andreas Pakulat | Mar 17, 2008 2:09 am | |
| David Faure | Mar 17, 2008 2:31 am | |
| Andreas Hartmetz | Mar 17, 2008 5:21 am | |
| Andreas Hartmetz | Mar 17, 2008 5:29 am | |
| Anders Lund | Mar 17, 2008 6:37 am | |
| Michael Jansen | Mar 17, 2008 10:44 am | |
| Michael Jansen | Mar 17, 2008 10:46 am | |
| Thiago Macieira | Mar 17, 2008 11:03 am | |
| Andreas Pakulat | Mar 17, 2008 11:04 am | |
| Eike Hein | Mar 17, 2008 11:19 am | |
| Anders Lund | Mar 17, 2008 11:30 am | |
| Anders Lund | Mar 17, 2008 11:33 am | |
| Andras Mantia | Mar 17, 2008 11:45 am | |
| Michael Jansen | Mar 17, 2008 11:54 am | |
| Andreas Pakulat | Mar 17, 2008 11:59 am | |
| Michael Jansen | Mar 17, 2008 12:15 pm | |
| Michael Jansen | Mar 17, 2008 12:16 pm | |
| Anders Lund | Mar 17, 2008 12:18 pm | |
| Andreas Pakulat | Mar 17, 2008 12:33 pm | |
| Michael Jansen | Mar 17, 2008 12:44 pm | |
| Anders Lund | Mar 17, 2008 12:58 pm | |
| Andreas Pakulat | Mar 17, 2008 2:01 pm | |
| Thiago Macieira | Mar 17, 2008 2:02 pm | |
| Andreas Pakulat | Mar 17, 2008 2:02 pm | |
| Thiago Macieira | Mar 17, 2008 2:04 pm | |
| Anders Lund | Mar 17, 2008 2:39 pm | |
| Olivier Goffart | Mar 17, 2008 3:28 pm | |
| Andreas Hartmetz | Mar 18, 2008 1:50 am | |
| Andreas Hartmetz | Mar 18, 2008 1:54 am | |
| Andreas Hartmetz | Mar 18, 2008 1:59 am | |
| Michael Jansen | Mar 18, 2008 2:49 am | |
| Sven Burmeister | Mar 18, 2008 7:48 am | |
| Alex Merry | Mar 18, 2008 9:15 am | |
| Christoph Cullmann | Mar 18, 2008 12:44 pm | |
| Andreas Pakulat | Mar 18, 2008 2:37 pm |
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| Subject: | Re: Global Shortcuts | Actions... |
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| From: | Andreas Pakulat (apa...@gmx.de) | |
| Date: | Mar 17, 2008 12:33:04 pm | |
| List: | org.kde.kde-core-devel | |
On 17.03.08 20:15:52, Michael Jansen wrote:
Am Montag 17 März 2008 19:59:23 schrieb Andreas Pakulat:
On 17.03.08 19:33:38, Anders Lund wrote:
On Monday 17 March 2008, Andreas Pakulat wrote:
How am i supposed to know they are there? Look them up? Find out when accidently triggering one of them?
Thats what a manual is written for.
And exactly how would the manual know which keys are assigned? It isn't like KDE manuals are allways up to date, and even if they were many parties have the power to change defaults.
Huh? The defaults are written by those who write the code and those people should make sure the manual is up-to-date. If distro's patch the app, they need to patch the manual as well else its simply a distro bug that needs fixing.
Sure manuals are out of date often, but then again you don't change default shortcuts every other day either.
But to go look into the manual you have to have the idea there are global
Actually I expect _any_ user that starts an app he doesn't know to at least have a short look through the manual and those people that care for shortcuts probably also take a look into the shortcuts dialog simply because currently KDE completely lacks a proper place for listing and possibly printing them (I hope I can change that for 4.1 though).
shortcuts. Without anyone telling you when starting a application do you expect a user ( even savy one able to use the app without reading the documentation ) to go to the dokumentation to see what global shortcuts it has?
See above, I expect him to go to the documentation to learn how the app should be used and what it provides.
Or even better do that on each and every update. The programmer could have decided to change some of the global shortcuts.
No, thats a bug in KXmlGui that should be fixed and has nothing to do with your problem actually.
BTW: I completely understand your points and in fact we're pretty much on the same page actually. You said that for apps like kwin or plasma which have no GUI anyway there would be a need to automatically enable their global shortcuts anyway.
I do agree that a hint about global shortcuts would be nice on app startup and guess what, we have that already. Its called KTip ;) Just the app developer has to use it.
Andreas
-- You are confused; but this is your normal state.