52 messages in uk.org.greenend.chiark.ukcryptoRe: Demon & DeCSS| From | Sent On | Attachments |
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| Donald Ramsbottom | Sep 20, 2000 11:55 pm | |
| Richard Clayton | Sep 21, 2000 6:40 am | |
| Richard Watts | Sep 21, 2000 8:16 am | |
| Neil Dunbar | Sep 21, 2000 9:28 am | |
| Owen Blacker | Sep 21, 2000 10:46 am | |
| Donald Ramsbottom | Sep 21, 2000 11:10 am | |
| John Young | Sep 21, 2000 11:29 am | |
| John Young | Sep 21, 2000 11:41 am | |
| Richard Clayton | Sep 21, 2000 1:25 pm | |
| Richard Clayton | Sep 21, 2000 1:30 pm | |
| Dave Bird | Sep 21, 2000 2:12 pm | |
| Donald Ramsbottom | Sep 22, 2000 12:52 am | |
| Paul Leyland | Sep 22, 2000 1:30 am | |
| Owen Blacker | Sep 22, 2000 2:09 am | |
| Roland Perry | Sep 22, 2000 2:20 am | |
| Roland Perry | Sep 22, 2000 2:25 am | |
| Jon Ribbens | Sep 22, 2000 3:45 am | |
| David Howe | Sep 22, 2000 3:56 am | |
| Charles Lindsey | Sep 22, 2000 4:05 am | |
| David Howe | Sep 22, 2000 4:20 am | |
| Owen Blacker | Sep 22, 2000 4:55 am | |
| David Swarbrick | Sep 22, 2000 5:12 am | |
| Donald Ramsbottom | Sep 22, 2000 5:24 am | |
| Donald Ramsbottom | Sep 22, 2000 8:32 am | |
| Dave Bird | Sep 22, 2000 11:22 am | |
| Donald Ramsbottom | Sep 23, 2000 7:35 am | |
| Owen Blacker | Sep 23, 2000 8:24 am | |
| Dave Howe | Sep 23, 2000 3:25 pm | |
| Dave Bird | Sep 23, 2000 4:26 pm | |
| Dave Howe | Sep 23, 2000 4:38 pm | |
| David Swarbrick | Sep 24, 2000 6:00 am | |
| David Swarbrick | Sep 24, 2000 6:00 am | |
| Paul Crowley | Sep 24, 2000 11:07 am | |
| Richard Watts | Sep 25, 2000 3:53 am | |
| Charles Lindsey | Sep 25, 2000 7:09 am | |
| David Swarbrick | Sep 25, 2000 10:40 am | |
| David Swarbrick | Sep 25, 2000 1:13 pm | |
| Philip Rowlands | Sep 25, 2000 2:04 pm | |
| Dave Bird | Sep 25, 2000 7:35 pm | |
| David Swarbrick | Sep 25, 2000 11:04 pm | |
| Charles Lindsey | Sep 26, 2000 1:59 am | |
| Pete Chown | Sep 26, 2000 2:38 am | |
| Richard Watts | Sep 26, 2000 9:40 am | |
| Richard Watts | Sep 26, 2000 9:45 am | |
| Dave Bird | Sep 26, 2000 11:42 am | |
| Dave Bird | Sep 26, 2000 12:26 pm | |
| David Swarbrick | Sep 27, 2000 3:01 am | |
| David Swarbrick | Sep 27, 2000 3:01 am | |
| Jon Ribbens | Sep 27, 2000 3:46 am | |
| Dave Bird | Sep 27, 2000 7:52 am | |
| Dave Bird | Sep 27, 2000 11:53 am | |
| Benjamin Geer | Sep 27, 2000 6:41 pm |
| Subject: | Re: Demon & DeCSS | |
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| From: | Donald Ramsbottom (don...@ramsbottom.co.uk) | |
| Date: | Sep 23, 2000 7:35:57 am | |
| List: | uk.org.greenend.chiark.ukcrypto | |
I should have made clear that the lack of evidence of copying was in the MPAA v 2600 case, sorry.
At 16:32 22/09/00 +0100, you wrote:
SNIP
Trying to claim that DeCSS isn't used for copying at all (especially given the new rush of mpeg4/divx conversion tools that have mysteriously started doing the rounds, just at the right time to be used as an example) is not a good idea - all your opponent has to do in court is *themselves* make an illegal copy via DeCSS; showing a DVD movie in court, then removing the DVD drive entirely and showing an MPEG4 version claimed to be converted *using DeCSS* would blow that out of the water in pretty short order.
SNIP
Funnily enough, the entire resources of the MPAA, its experts, its very expensive lawyers and all the associates were not able to give a single instance of where DeCSS has been used to copy a single DVD anywhere in the world. They all said it could be done, but they had not one shred of evidence it had actually taken place, which for an organisation with the financial clout of the MPAA, is a pretty remarkable omission. The depositions in this regard are an amusing read.
Thus the MPAA has resorted to plausible sounding legal threats, which may have some weight in the US, but there is another world to which they simply do not apply.
Donald Ramsbottom LL.B, BA (Hons).
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Donald Ramsbottom LL.B, BA (Hons).
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