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20 messages in org.gnome.desktop-devel-listRe: GNOME's testing strategy for GUIs| From | Sent On | Attachments |
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| Willie Walker | Feb 14, 2008 10:42 am | |
| Nickolay V. Shmyrev | Feb 14, 2008 10:53 am | |
| Brad Taylor | Feb 14, 2008 11:08 am | |
| John Stowers | Feb 14, 2008 1:18 pm | |
| Brad Taylor | Feb 14, 2008 1:25 pm | |
| John Stowers | Feb 14, 2008 1:34 pm | |
| David Bolter | Feb 14, 2008 1:56 pm | |
| David Bolter | Feb 14, 2008 1:58 pm | |
| Nagappan A | Feb 14, 2008 9:48 pm | |
| Vincent Untz | Feb 15, 2008 6:09 am | |
| Emmanuel Fleury | Feb 15, 2008 6:33 am | |
| Nagappan A | Feb 15, 2008 7:03 am | |
| Willie Walker | Feb 15, 2008 8:40 am | |
| David Bolter | Feb 16, 2008 9:41 am | |
| Willie Walker | Feb 16, 2008 1:50 pm | |
| Luis Villa | Feb 16, 2008 2:00 pm | |
| Luis Villa | Feb 17, 2008 5:20 am | |
| API | Feb 20, 2008 8:12 am | |
| Qi-Bo Paul Mei | Feb 20, 2008 2:00 pm | .Other |
| Nagappan A | Feb 22, 2008 9:51 am |

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| From: | Luis Villa (lu...@tieguy.org) | |
| Date: | Feb 16, 2008 2:00:11 pm | |
| List: | org.gnome.desktop-devel-list | |
On Feb 16, 2008 4:50 PM, Willie Walker <Will...@sun.com> wrote:
I'd like to see documentation on 'GNOME recommended automated testing' for all the kinds of projects we see in GNOME (including for the various languages). I think this thread is a great way to try and get community consensus and to collect information on what various projects use. I suspect a lot of projects use none or very little (sadly, including GOK).
IMHO this needs to change.
Agreed. We tried to get some momentum back at GNOME Boston 2006 (http://live.gnome.org/TestingUsingAtSpi), but we never really gained traction. It may that the community wasn't ready then, but it might be ready now.
As I suggested to Willie earlier in private mail, I think the key is getting something actually used. Get someone to run whatever tests there are on a regular, automated basis, and file bugs as a result. It will be imperfect (very imperfect to start with, owing to issues with the tools, lack of test coverage, etc.) but it will be better than nothing. That will:
* create general developer awareness * encourage people to write tests, because they will know that the tests will be executed/used * encourage developers of the test harnesses to improve based on real-world feedback, which is obviously pretty lacking right now (though there appear to be some hints that it is happening)
The rest (documentation, etc.) falls out of actually using it, IMHO.
And by the way, I'm glad this discussion is happening- it is a *hugely* critical issue, I believe, and if the various distros/OSes collaborated to make this happen, would pay off at at least that 1:100 ratio mentioned earlier in terms of improved quality and robustness.
Luis








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