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Subject:Re: [PHP-DEV] 5.4 again
From:Ilia Alshanetsky (il@prohost.org)
Date:May 11, 2011 11:14:07 am
List:net.php.lists.internals

I think an idea of an alpha right away is a good one. I feel we definitely have enough "stuff" in HEAD branch right now for 5.4 +/- few minor changes. It should also be a good boost to getting people on track that 5.4 is a go.

On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 2:03 PM, Andi Gutmans <an@zend.com> wrote:

-----Original Message----- From: Stas Malyshev [mailto:smal@sugarcrm.com] Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2011 4:41 PM To: PHP Internals Subject: [PHP-DEV] 5.4 again

Hi!

I would like to propose the following process (of course, dates can be moved around, etc. - I consider phase lengths be more important that actual dates, but any of them can be shifted if reason arises) for 5.4:

- starting now - nominate features for 5.4 (see
https://wiki.php.net/todo/php54), discussion on them - May 18 - start voting and debating on features that have no clear consensus support immediately. On the end of May is also phptek, so we could have some discussion there about it if needed. - June 15 (a bit more than a month) - alpha, branching of 5_4, open only for bugfixes and features in TODO list that are approved and can be done by beta time. - July 20 - beta, bugfixes only (if we add a lot of features, we may want to
insert another 1-month alpha period, so far it doesn't look like it but may change) - Aug 24 - RC1, then an RC every 2 weeks until stable - Release - somewhere in October or November, depending on the RCs.

I think we need to start moving. Not much is happening in 5.4 now as far as I
can see, and we have a good feature set that is long due to be released.

Stas, in the past we had alphas. Is there any reason why we wouldn't roll one
out asap? (revert the typehints stuff and go).

I think we (almost) all agree that we need to start pushing PHP 5.4 with all the
goodness that has been developed "to-date". Additional features can wait for the
next version. Any exceptions that are low risk can be evaluated (an additional minor API, some
additional enhancements) but let's get the good work that has been done to-date
out there vs. allowing feature creep and pushing the timeline for another 1-2
years. I think we should start pushing out alpha in parallel to these
discussions. Most of them sound like major features which would not make PHP 5.4
as any major feature requires plenty of time to mature (and needless to say some
of them won't even be accepted).

There is plenty to get excited about in PHP 5.4!

Andi (sending in plaintext. Hope this gets rid of the funky newlines from prior
emails)

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