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| Daniel Fagerstrom | Oct 13, 2005 1:59 pm | |
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| Subject: | Re: [RT] Is Cocoon Obsolete? | |
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| From: | Daniel Fagerstrom (dani...@nada.kth.se) | |
| Date: | Oct 12, 2005 4:52:36 am | |
| List: | org.apache.cocoon.dev | |
Joerg Heinicke wrote:
Jaka Jaksic <jaka.jaksic <at> telemach.net> writes:
But even then you realize that accessing the natural functionality (and power) of Cocoon is often very difficult, because there is no obvious API and no function library to access the core functionality.
BTW, this is the most negative issue with Cocoon at least one person has (I don't mean myself and I don't want to speak in his name, so leave him anonymous): Cocoon does not really provide an API you can program to. Take even such a simple task as accessing session/request/etc.
Agree about the lack of well defined API. Both in the sense that we don't mark what is supposed to externally reusable and reasonable stable interfaces. And in the sense that we have had feature creep in our core interfaces as Berin showed for Processor.
For session, request etc I think we should migrate to the servlet apis as I wrote in an other message. Having own interfaces in this area doesn't make that much sense anymore.
Also having well defined internal APIs will make Cocoon easier to develop and mantain as it will be easier to understand what is going on.
At some stage I think we should provide a pure API jar that contains the API that define Cocoon and nothing more. As a first step we could start to move out component implementations from the core, to make the core leaner and make it clearer how things are inter related.
/Daniel