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107 messages in org.apache.communityRe: Rules for Revolutionaries| From | Sent On | Attachments |
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| Costin Manolache | Nov 7, 2002 12:39 pm | |
| Rich Bowen | Nov 8, 2002 4:35 am | |
| Rodent of Unusual Size | Nov 8, 2002 9:06 am | |
| Sam Ruby | Nov 8, 2002 1:49 pm | |
| Costin Manolache | Nov 8, 2002 2:04 pm | |
| Rodent of Unusual Size | Nov 8, 2002 2:46 pm | |
| Costin Manolache | Nov 8, 2002 3:11 pm | |
| Stefano Mazzocchi | Nov 8, 2002 3:48 pm | |
| Craig R. McClanahan | Nov 8, 2002 4:02 pm | |
| Andrew C. Oliver | Nov 8, 2002 4:56 pm | |
| Andrew C. Oliver | Nov 8, 2002 5:02 pm | |
| Martin van den Bemt | Nov 8, 2002 5:13 pm | |
| Rodent of Unusual Size | Nov 8, 2002 5:48 pm | |
| Rodent of Unusual Size | Nov 8, 2002 5:50 pm | |
| James Taylor | Nov 8, 2002 5:56 pm | |
| Craig R. McClanahan | Nov 8, 2002 5:57 pm | |
| Craig R. McClanahan | Nov 8, 2002 6:04 pm | |
| Sam Ruby | Nov 8, 2002 6:16 pm | |
| Andrew C. Oliver | Nov 8, 2002 6:37 pm | |
| Andrew C. Oliver | Nov 8, 2002 6:40 pm | |
| Ceki Gülcü | Nov 9, 2002 12:29 am | |
| Jeff Turner | Nov 9, 2002 2:44 am | |
| Stefano Mazzocchi | Nov 9, 2002 3:26 am | |
| Stefano Mazzocchi | Nov 9, 2002 4:13 am | |
| Stefano Mazzocchi | Nov 9, 2002 4:25 am | |
| Andrew C. Oliver | Nov 9, 2002 4:27 am | |
| Stefano Mazzocchi | Nov 9, 2002 4:31 am | |
| Stefano Mazzocchi | Nov 9, 2002 4:35 am | |
| Andrew C. Oliver | Nov 9, 2002 4:36 am | |
| Danny Angus | Nov 9, 2002 4:39 am | |
| Stefano Mazzocchi | Nov 9, 2002 4:50 am | |
| Martin van den Bemt | Nov 9, 2002 5:21 am | |
| Ceki Gülcü | Nov 9, 2002 6:28 am | |
| Costin Manolache | Nov 9, 2002 8:49 am | |
| Sam Ruby | Nov 9, 2002 9:29 am | |
| Costin Manolache | Nov 9, 2002 10:23 am | |
| Ceki Gülcü | Nov 9, 2002 10:49 am | |
| Ceki Gülcü | Nov 9, 2002 10:58 am | |
| Stefano Mazzocchi | Nov 9, 2002 12:32 pm | |
| James Duncan Davidson | Nov 9, 2002 3:29 pm | |
| James Duncan Davidson | Nov 9, 2002 3:37 pm | |
| Chuck Murcko | Nov 9, 2002 6:07 pm | |
| Rodent of Unusual Size | Nov 10, 2002 5:29 am | |
| Ceki Gülcü | Nov 10, 2002 6:21 am | |
| James Duncan Davidson | Nov 10, 2002 9:14 am | |
| Stefano Mazzocchi | Nov 11, 2002 7:05 pm | |
| Stephen McConnell | Nov 11, 2002 7:26 pm | |
| Sam Ruby | Nov 11, 2002 7:41 pm | |
| Jeff Turner | Nov 11, 2002 7:42 pm | |
| Stephen McConnell | Nov 11, 2002 7:43 pm | |
| Ovidiu Predescu | Nov 11, 2002 9:34 pm | |
| Ovidiu Predescu | Nov 11, 2002 9:35 pm | |
| Sam Ruby | Nov 11, 2002 9:50 pm | |
| Jeff Turner | Nov 11, 2002 11:17 pm | |
| Andrew C. Oliver | Nov 12, 2002 7:18 am | |
| Stefano Mazzocchi | Nov 12, 2002 7:24 am | |
| Martin van den Bemt | Nov 12, 2002 8:18 am | |
| Joe Schaefer | Nov 12, 2002 8:19 am | |
| Jeff Turner | Nov 12, 2002 8:20 am | |
| Andrew C. Oliver | Nov 12, 2002 8:28 am | |
| Henri Yandell | Nov 12, 2002 8:41 am | |
| Costin Manolache | Nov 12, 2002 9:57 am | |
| Costin Manolache | Nov 12, 2002 10:14 am | |
| Craig R. McClanahan | Nov 12, 2002 11:38 am | |
| Andrew C. Oliver | Nov 12, 2002 12:18 pm | |
| Glenn Nielsen | Nov 12, 2002 7:04 pm | |
| Stephen McConnell | Nov 13, 2002 2:23 am | |
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| Rodent of Unusual Size | Nov 13, 2002 4:02 am | |
| Rodent of Unusual Size | Nov 13, 2002 4:20 am | |
| Stephen McConnell | Nov 13, 2002 4:20 am | |
| Stefano Mazzocchi | Nov 13, 2002 6:44 am | |
| Joe Schaefer | Nov 13, 2002 7:37 am | |
| Rodent of Unusual Size | Nov 13, 2002 8:49 am | |
| Costin Manolache | Nov 13, 2002 10:01 am | |
| Rodent of Unusual Size | Nov 13, 2002 10:15 am | |
| Sam Ruby | Nov 13, 2002 11:16 am | |
| Stefano Mazzocchi | Nov 13, 2002 11:44 am | |
| Costin Manolache | Nov 13, 2002 12:10 pm | |
| Rodent of Unusual Size | Nov 13, 2002 5:37 pm | |
| Roy T. Fielding | Nov 14, 2002 9:54 am | |
| Daniel Rall | Nov 15, 2002 2:44 pm | |
| Sam Ruby | Nov 15, 2002 7:28 pm | |
| Andrew C. Oliver | Nov 15, 2002 8:09 pm | |
| Henri Gomez | Nov 18, 2002 9:56 am | |
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| Subject: | Re: Rules for Revolutionaries | Actions... |
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| From: | Stephen McConnell (mcco...@apache.org) | |
| Date: | Nov 11, 2002 7:43:13 pm | |
| List: | org.apache.community | |
Jeff Turner wrote:
On Tue, Nov 12, 2002 at 04:05:24AM +0100, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: ...
I still disagree. The rules of revolutionaries *MUST* (I repeat *MUST*!!!) protect the identity of the project more than they protect the freedom of innovation of the single developers.
More than anything else, the fact that two different codebases were *released* with the same name at the same time, pissed many people off (myself included) and created a lot of problems in the users.
Like? How many users do you see complaining because they have a choice?
Personally, I find Tomcat 4's startup time is too slow for Forrest/Cocoon development, so if it wasn't for 3.3.x, I'd be using Resin or Jetty.
The rules for revolutionaries had a bug since they didn't specify what was going to happen to the project that was overruled by the revolution.
I have a hard time believing that _users_ would be better off if 3.3 development had been forcefully stopped once Catalina was accepted.
We have to fix this in the future.
Before 'fixing', it would be good to establish if a forked Tomcat really did hurt the user base. I doubt if either of us have read enough tomcat-user mail to make a clear judgement.
The question appears to me to be much more related to brand management. The tomcat brand is damaged with two courrent products. The "rules for revolutionaries" puts the obligation onto community to manage the brand, and if there is something different - then to create a new brand.
Cheers, Steve.
--Jeff
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Stephen J. McConnell
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