atom feed32 messages in org.freebsd.freebsd-archRe: 4.x compatibilty.. Was: MFC of rcNG?
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Doug BartonJun 15, 2002 12:14 pm 
Gordon TetlowJun 16, 2002 9:58 am 
Doug BartonJun 16, 2002 11:01 am 
Julian ElischerJun 16, 2002 1:24 pm 
Doug BartonJun 16, 2002 1:50 pm 
Nik ClaytonJun 16, 2002 2:39 pm 
Doug BartonJun 16, 2002 3:07 pm 
Mike MakonnenJun 17, 2002 2:10 am 
Dag-Erling SmorgravJun 17, 2002 2:32 am 
Sheldon HearnJun 17, 2002 9:01 am 
Garance A DrosihnJun 17, 2002 11:48 am 
Mike MakonnenJun 17, 2002 4:51 pm 
Giorgos KeramidasJun 17, 2002 7:49 pm 
Sheldon HearnJun 18, 2002 1:29 am 
Doug BartonJun 18, 2002 2:06 am 
Mike MakonnenJun 18, 2002 5:04 am 
Sheldon HearnJun 18, 2002 5:21 am 
Trish LynchJun 18, 2002 6:04 am 
Mike MakonnenJun 18, 2002 6:05 am 
Sheldon HearnJun 18, 2002 6:12 am 
Mike MakonnenJun 18, 2002 7:26 am 
Doug BartonJun 18, 2002 10:54 am 
Sheldon HearnJun 18, 2002 11:06 am 
Doug BartonJun 18, 2002 11:23 am 
Sheldon HearnJun 18, 2002 11:35 am 
Doug BartonJun 18, 2002 11:41 am 
Gordon TetlowJun 18, 2002 12:53 pm 
Nik ClaytonJun 18, 2002 2:40 pm 
Doug BartonJun 18, 2002 3:17 pm 
Nik ClaytonJun 18, 2002 3:27 pm 
Garance A DrosihnJun 18, 2002 6:00 pm 
Julian ElischerJun 18, 2002 6:20 pm 
Subject:Re: 4.x compatibilty.. Was: MFC of rcNG?
From:Nik Clayton (ni@freebsd.org)
Date:Jun 18, 2002 2:40:08 pm
List:org.freebsd.freebsd-arch

On Tue, Jun 18, 2002 at 11:23:38AM -0700, Doug Barton wrote:

I would like to reiterate my previous points... namely that for the vast majority of users, this change will be almost unnoticed.

Not so. At least, I hope not. At the very least, I look forward to being able to tell people "Yes, you can stop/start/restart any service with 'sh /etc/rc.d/<service>.sh stop|start|restart"

In addition, the way the sysadmin moves things around in the boot order will change. Instead of editing /etc/rc*, you change some comments in some shell scripts.

If I want to find out *why* things started in a particular order I now run rcorder(8).

Doubtless there are others.

So, not only does the project's documentation have to change, but so does all the internal documentation maintained by companies that are using FreeBSD that describes how to do things to their FreeBSD systems.

[ Now multiply this by every change that's going in to 5.x that won't have a backward compatible implementation ]

These changes take time to make. And throwing up yet another bar in the adoption of 5.x is a *bad thing*.

This is about to become a wider discussion that rc_ng. So I'll stop here, and kick off a new thread.

N