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| ekimber | Sep 24, 2009 6:25 am | |
| Ogden, Jeff | Sep 24, 2009 7:09 am | |
| ekimber | Sep 24, 2009 7:20 am | |
| Rob Hanna | Sep 24, 2009 1:15 pm | |
| Michael Priestley | Sep 24, 2009 2:53 pm | |
| Su-Laine Yeo | Sep 24, 2009 2:54 pm | |
| ekimber | Sep 24, 2009 3:16 pm | |
| Rob Hanna | Sep 24, 2009 8:23 pm | |
| ekimber | Sep 24, 2009 8:51 pm | |
| Michael Priestley | Sep 25, 2009 11:04 am | |
| ekimber | Sep 25, 2009 11:16 am | |
| Rob Hanna | Sep 25, 2009 12:26 pm | |
| JoAnn Hackos | Sep 25, 2009 3:31 pm | |
| ekimber | Sep 25, 2009 3:52 pm | |
| Su-Laine Yeo | Sep 25, 2009 7:24 pm | |
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| Andrzej Zydron | Sep 26, 2009 10:54 am | |
| ekimber | Sep 26, 2009 3:36 pm | |
| Joann Hackos | Sep 27, 2009 7:55 am | |
| ekimber | Sep 27, 2009 10:34 am | |
| Robert D Anderson | Sep 28, 2009 6:10 am | |
| Michael Priestley | Sep 28, 2009 8:51 am | |
| Bruce Nevin (bnevin) | Sep 28, 2009 9:12 am | |
| Ogden, Jeff | Sep 28, 2009 11:11 am | |
| Ogden, Jeff | Sep 28, 2009 11:21 am | |
| Ogden, Jeff | Sep 28, 2009 11:38 am | |
| ekimber | Sep 28, 2009 11:43 am | |
| Robert D Anderson | Sep 28, 2009 11:45 am | |
| Ogden, Jeff | Sep 28, 2009 11:50 am | |
| ekimber | Sep 28, 2009 11:54 am | |
| Don Day | Sep 28, 2009 12:41 pm | |
| Ogden, Jeff | Sep 28, 2009 1:33 pm | |
| Su-Laine Yeo | Sep 28, 2009 4:18 pm | |
| ekimber | Sep 28, 2009 4:48 pm | |
| Su-Laine Yeo | Sep 28, 2009 5:01 pm | |
| Tony Self | Sep 28, 2009 6:49 pm | .html |
| Rob Hanna | Sep 28, 2009 8:44 pm | |
| Grosso, Paul | Sep 29, 2009 4:54 am | |
| Ogden, Jeff | Sep 29, 2009 6:34 am | |
| Tony Self | Sep 29, 2009 5:17 pm | |
| Ogden, Jeff | Sep 29, 2009 6:25 pm | |
| ekimber | Sep 29, 2009 6:51 pm | |
| Kristen James Eberlein | Sep 29, 2009 7:21 pm | |
| ekimber | Sep 29, 2009 7:25 pm | |
| Ann Rockley | Sep 29, 2009 7:56 pm | |
| Tony Self | Sep 29, 2009 8:24 pm | |
| Ann Rockley | Sep 29, 2009 8:38 pm | |
| Su-Laine Yeo | Sep 29, 2009 9:34 pm | |
| Ogden, Jeff | Sep 30, 2009 5:21 am | |
| Robert D Anderson | Sep 30, 2009 5:40 am | |
| Scott Prentice | Sep 30, 2009 9:54 am | |
| Michael Priestley | Sep 30, 2009 10:08 am | |
| Bruce Nevin (bnevin) | Sep 30, 2009 10:31 am | |
| Joann Hackos | Oct 1, 2009 7:46 am | |
| Michael Priestley | Oct 1, 2009 7:53 am | |
| Joann Hackos | Oct 1, 2009 8:20 am | |
| Bruce Nevin (bnevin) | Oct 1, 2009 1:16 pm | |
| ekimber | Oct 1, 2009 1:19 pm | |
| Bruce Nevin (bnevin) | Oct 1, 2009 3:09 pm | |
| Su-Laine Yeo | Oct 1, 2009 4:21 pm | |
| Tony Self | Oct 1, 2009 4:33 pm | |
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| Nancy Harrison | Jun 23, 2010 3:42 pm | |
| Bruce Nevin (bnevin) | Jun 23, 2010 5:00 pm |
| Subject: | Re: [dita] Why There are Constraints on Conref | |
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| From: | Michael Priestley (mpri...@ca.ibm.com) | |
| Date: | Oct 1, 2009 7:53:25 am | |
| List: | org.oasis-open.lists.dita | |
It depends on if you're talking about the source and target of the reuse, or the source and target of the conref attribute. You'd use the terms in exactly opposite ways, as we've just found.
As others have noted, that's why we should probably avoid those terms entirely, or at least scope them explicitly as Robert has done (eg "the target of the conref attribute" rather than "the target of the reuse").
Michael Priestley, Senior Technical Staff Member (STSM) Lead IBM DITA Architect mpri...@ca.ibm.com http://dita.xml.org/blog/25
From: Joann Hackos <joan...@comtech-serv.com> To: <tse...@hyperwrite.com>, "'Ogden, Jeff'" <jog...@ptc.com>, DITA TC <di...@lists.oasis-open.org> Date: 10/01/2009 10:47 AM Subject: Re: [dita] Why There are Constraints on Conref
I think Tony has it right in terms of the logic. You have a source topic that contains the element and a target topic in which you place the reused element. JoAnn
On 9/29/09 6:18 PM, "Tony Self" <tse...@hyperwrite.com> wrote:
Thanks for the clarification, Jeff.
With regard to the terms "conref source" and "conref target", I have been using "conref source" to mean the element containing the content to be re-used (with an id attribute), and "conref target" to mean the element into which the content source is included (with a conref attribute). Am I using the terms the wrong way round?
Cheers
Tony
-----Original Message----- From: Ogden, Jeff [mailto:jog...@ptc.com] Sent: Tuesday, 29 September 2009 11:35 PM To: tse...@hyperwrite.com; dita Subject: RE: [dita] Why There are Constraints on Conref
Tony,
I think the description in your message is correct. In another message Rob said that you had things reversed, but I think the problem is just some ambiguity in the wording so that it isn't completely clear what is the conref source and what is the conref target.
In the html file you attached there is an example of how constraints are declared using @constraints and @constraints-scope, but I think that approach is obsolete and has been replaced with a declaration that is part of @domains.
Your html file also says that you can add and remove attributes, but I'm pretty sure you can only remove attributes using constraints.
And as Rob says, the reason that you can't just test to see if the conref material is legal based on the DTD or XSD is that test would be based upon the content in a particular conref target document instance at a particular time and at a different time the same conref target document might be different and might be invalid. The current conref validation scheme gives you a guarantee that what is a valid conref will remain valid into the future. This guarantee comes at the expense of a more restrictive policy then is absolutely necessary under some circumstances. But the restrictive policy is very similar to the policy that has existed for a long time with respect to conref and domains and as far as I know that hasn't been a serious problem.
-Jeff
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