|Lone Wolf||Feb 19, 2008 2:39 am|
|Wojciech Puchar||Feb 19, 2008 2:50 am|
|Da Rock||Feb 19, 2008 3:19 am|
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|Da Rock||Feb 19, 2008 4:13 am|
|Arek Czereszewski||Feb 19, 2008 4:59 am|
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|Heiko Wundram (Beenic)||Feb 19, 2008 5:24 am|
|Dominic Fandrey||Feb 19, 2008 5:26 am|
|Wojciech Puchar||Feb 19, 2008 6:15 am|
|Erik Osterholm||Feb 19, 2008 7:26 am|
|James||Feb 19, 2008 7:37 am|
|RW||Feb 19, 2008 7:40 am|
|Chad Perrin||Feb 19, 2008 7:49 am|
|Jerry McAllister||Feb 19, 2008 8:11 am|
|Chad Perrin||Feb 19, 2008 8:14 am|
|Jerry McAllister||Feb 19, 2008 8:40 am|
|NetOpsCenter||Feb 19, 2008 11:14 am|
|Wojciech Puchar||Feb 19, 2008 3:24 pm|
|Chad Perrin||Feb 19, 2008 3:27 pm|
|Jerry McAllister||Feb 19, 2008 3:31 pm|
|Da Rock||Feb 19, 2008 4:46 pm|
|Wojciech Puchar||Feb 20, 2008 8:35 am|
|Chad Perrin||Feb 20, 2008 11:50 pm|
|Da Rock||Feb 21, 2008 12:33 am|
|Chad Perrin||Feb 21, 2008 12:46 am|
|Predrag Punosevac||Feb 21, 2008 2:23 am|
|James||Feb 21, 2008 2:38 am|
|Kevin Kinsey||Feb 21, 2008 3:14 am|
|Sean Cavanaugh||Feb 21, 2008 5:25 am|
|Matthew Seaman||Feb 21, 2008 6:31 am|
|Chad Perrin||Feb 21, 2008 6:58 am|
|James Harrison||Feb 21, 2008 2:58 pm|
|Heiko Wundram (Beenic)||Feb 21, 2008 3:09 pm|
|Drew Tomlinson||Feb 21, 2008 8:31 pm|
|D G Teed||Feb 21, 2008 9:03 pm|
|Predrag Punosevac||Feb 21, 2008 9:10 pm|
|Wojciech Puchar||Feb 21, 2008 9:27 pm|
|nepbabu||Feb 21, 2008 11:56 pm|
|Chris Whitehouse||Feb 22, 2008 1:49 am|
|puno...@math.arizona.edu||Feb 22, 2008 2:28 am|
|Da Rock||Feb 22, 2008 2:36 am|
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|Da Rock||Feb 22, 2008 5:58 am|
|Jonathan McKeown||Feb 22, 2008 9:02 am|
|Oliver Herold||Feb 22, 2008 9:05 am|
|Da Rock||Feb 22, 2008 9:27 am|
|Chess Griffin||Feb 22, 2008 2:35 pm|
|Chris Whitehouse||Feb 22, 2008 4:00 pm|
|Jerry McAllister||Feb 22, 2008 4:37 pm|
|Jerry McAllister||Feb 22, 2008 4:40 pm|
|D G Teed||Feb 23, 2008 2:27 am|
|Da Rock||Feb 24, 2008 10:33 pm|
|Chad Perrin||Mar 2, 2008 5:39 am|
|Subject:||FreeBSD & Linux distro|
|From:||Da Rock (rock...@comcen.com.au)|
|Date:||Feb 22, 2008 2:36:14 am|
On Fri, 2008-02-22 at 01:48 +0000, Chris Whitehouse wrote:
Wojciech Puchar wrote:
use as a desktop system. Contrary to that impression, I'm sending this
what is "desktop system" and "server system"?
AFAIK it just depends of software installed, and it can be both..
FreeBSD as a desktop compared to other OS's? I think there are technical, community and attitude differences which prevent FreeBSD from competing as a desktop. For some time I ran a small suite of FreeBSD desktops for general passing users (community center for alternative type people) and sometimes it was quite difficult to defend FreeBSD against requests for Linux.
Some desktop functionality that is available for other OS's is simply not available to FreeBSD. Recent Debian, Windows and Mac all do hotplug USB for instance. The key point is that if you unplug without unmounting you don't get system crashes. I've read some of the threads that say it's not at all easy to write it into FreeBSD but it is an important difference and it shows up some community and attitude differences.
Imagine if computers were cars. FreeBSD would be a super reliable car or maybe truck that gets built and maintained and used by people who like to spend most of their time hanging out in the workshop. You have to lift the bonnet and press a button to get it going but they see that as trivial. But the person who has to get the kids down to the supermarket and get the shopping done before hubby comes home for tea is really not going to understand that there is any comparison with the system where a key is within easy reach of the drivers seat.
Nobody in the FreeBSD workshop can see the point of doing a quite intricate rewiring task because the truck works so fantastically well in other respects.
Support for USB devices seems better in Linux too. The number of times people would come in and say why don't you use Linux and I would say FreeBSD is better and they would say well plug this USB ethernet adapter in and see if it works then, and it wouldn't.
If you want to do video editing on FreeBSD you can't use the main free software application, Cinelerra. It's not ported to FreeBSD and from what I've read it won't be - something to do with ALSA drivers I believe. Also multimedia functionality generally is far more developed on Mac and windows. I would be really interested to know how the FreeBSD kernel compares to the Linux realtime kernel. Are there any recent benchmarks? Something like Kris Kennaway's fantastic mySQL benchmarks presentation?
I'm sure none of these things are impossible, simply I get the impression they are not very interesting to the people who decide the direction of FreeBSD.
There are other differences which I think come down to the overall size of the development community. I'm sure FreeBSD has all the components to allow a nice icon and directory window appear automagically on the desktop when you plug your removeable drive or camera in. I guess there must be some sort of similarity between the number of people doing Debian development and the number of people doing FreeBSD development. The difference with Linux is that there are hundreds of other dev communities taking Debian or whatever as a starting point and configuring it for different out-of-the-box use. Hence ubuntu and all the others. There are comparatively very few desktop development projects that take FreeBSD as a starting point. Hence rolling your own X and desktop setup in FreeBSD let alone automounter and a hundred other things.
This is not meant to be an anti-FreeBSD rant, I love FreeBSD, it has some sort of quality and ease of use which I find hard to define, which is different to the 'ease of use' of windows or ubuntu (see I can't even give them capital letters) and which I wouldn't swap for anything. But I do think there is also some refusal or maybe just lack of resource
to engage with a completely different view of what computers are for that the vast majority of the computer population has, an attitude exemplified by the comment that started me off on this rant.
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I'd agree with nearly all that is said here- for my 2c. It neatly epitomizes what I attempted to present.
When defining the differences to my clients as to windows, Linux, and FreeBSD I use a 60's model VW beetle for windows, a tank for Linux, and Fort Knox for BSD systems... The reason for this is that I find BSD systems are hard to break, stable as hell, may never need to reboot if setup correctly and used right, and just do what they're told to do. Linux is secure- but not as much, will go for months without reboot, and does what its supposed to do most of the time.
Windows you're lucky to get what you can out of it! :P