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| Subject: | Re: Free wicket from component hierarchy hell | |
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| From: | Jim Pinkham (pink...@gmail.com) | |
| Date: | Jan 20, 2011 9:50:28 am | |
| List: | org.apache.wicket.users | |
I'm not a committer, just a normal 1.5 user concerned about bloat.
For what it's worth, I took a few minutes to actually look at the change (MarkupContainer as you'd expect) and I can see that if you don't use the new queue methods, the only a memory overhead is the *static* QUEUE (nothing extra per component!) so I appreciate that performance-wise anyway, it's a low impact feature you can ignore without penalty.
I'm not thrilled about the conceptual impact of adding a new concern to an already large class, but the implementation looks quite nice actually, so my first concern that it might break existing behavior is satisfied.
I still don't think it's necessary, and wonder if it might actually be counter-productive to have more than one way to learn for new adopters. If it goes forward, I don't suppose there's much precedent for taking something back out, is there?
What a difficult discussion to have over email - I'm in the -1 camp on this overall, but I think I do appreciate the admirable motive to innovate, so I hope the committers will give this serious consideration and then chuck it in the bin where it ... no, just kidding, ;) and then make a fair decision.
Thanks, --Jim Pinkham.
On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 12:24 PM, Martin Makundi < mart...@koodaripalvelut.com> wrote:
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4089/4968160827_b742a7448a_z.jpg
..hrm.. putting that aside, did you give it a test drive?
** Martin
2011/1/20 Jeremy Thomerson <jer...@wickettraining.com>:
On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 3:55 AM, Martin Makundi < mart...@koodaripalvelut.com> wrote:
Can we bargain about this? Say, also wicket auto ajax enclosure and both into 1.4-x
This made me laugh. What is the other side of the "bargain"? What does the giving party get in return? :)
Apache is all about consensus. If the project management committee (who ultimately has to lead and guide the project) agrees that something is useful, beneficial, and not detrimental, they allow it to be added by the committers. In the case of Wicket, each committer is also on the PMC. So, with several committers against this feature being added to 1.4.x (myself included) and possibly even 1.5, you must persuade them (us) as to why it is needed.
That being said, this has already been a really long thread (over 100 messages), so you're up against bad odds.
-- Jeremy Thomerson http://wickettraining.com *Need a CMS for Wicket? Use Brix! http://brixcms.org*





