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39 messages in net.sourceforge.lists.courier-maildropRe: [maildropl] Re: Maildrop EX_TEMPFAIL| From | Sent On | Attachments |
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| ha...@newmail.tvnet.hu | Jul 5, 2002 11:37 pm | |
| Derrick 'dman' Hudson | Jul 6, 2002 9:05 am | |
| ha...@newmail.tvnet.hu | Jul 8, 2002 12:56 am | |
| ha...@newmail.tvnet.hu | Jul 8, 2002 6:40 am | |
| Derrick 'dman' Hudson | Jul 8, 2002 7:07 am | |
| Ben Rosengart | Jul 8, 2002 7:09 am | |
| Matthias Andree | Jul 8, 2002 8:24 am | |
| Matthias Andree | Jul 8, 2002 8:25 am | |
| Ben Rosengart | Jul 8, 2002 8:35 am | |
| Matthias Andree | Jul 8, 2002 8:51 am | |
| Sam Varshavchik | Jul 8, 2002 3:03 pm | |
| Ben Rosengart | Jul 8, 2002 3:32 pm | |
| Sam Varshavchik | Jul 8, 2002 4:15 pm | |
| Matthias Andree | Jul 8, 2002 5:10 pm | |
| Sam Varshavchik | Jul 8, 2002 6:09 pm | |
| Ben Rosengart | Jul 8, 2002 6:20 pm | |
| Sam Varshavchik | Jul 8, 2002 6:28 pm | |
| Ben Rosengart | Jul 8, 2002 6:44 pm | |
| Sam Varshavchik | Jul 8, 2002 6:51 pm | |
| ha...@newmail.tvnet.hu | Jul 9, 2002 3:56 am | |
| Matthias Andree | Jul 10, 2002 2:47 am | |
| Matthias Andree | Jul 10, 2002 2:49 am | |
| Matthias Andree | Jul 10, 2002 3:05 am | |
| Derrick 'dman' Hudson | Jul 10, 2002 7:40 am | |
| Matthias Andree | Jul 11, 2002 2:51 am | |
| Derrick 'dman' Hudson | Jul 13, 2002 9:00 am | |
| Matthias Andree | Jul 14, 2002 7:47 am | |
| Derrick 'dman' Hudson | Jul 15, 2002 8:19 pm | |
| Sam Varshavchik | Jul 15, 2002 9:19 pm | |
| Ben Rosengart | Jul 16, 2002 6:52 am | |
| Sam Varshavchik | Jul 16, 2002 7:22 am | |
| Ben Rosengart | Jul 16, 2002 8:09 am | |
| Ben Rosengart | Jul 16, 2002 11:24 am | |
| Sam Varshavchik | Jul 17, 2002 9:59 am | |
| Ben Rosengart | Jul 17, 2002 12:29 pm | |
| Matthias Andree | Jul 17, 2002 3:27 pm | |
| Matthias Andree | Jul 17, 2002 3:33 pm | |
| Matthias Andree | Jul 17, 2002 3:34 pm | |
| Matthias Andree | Jul 18, 2002 12:21 pm |

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| Subject: | Re: [maildropl] Re: Maildrop EX_TEMPFAIL | Actions... |
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| From: | Matthias Andree (ma...@dt.e-technik.uni-dortmund.de) | |
| Date: | Jul 8, 2002 5:10:48 pm | |
| List: | net.sourceforge.lists.courier-maildrop | |
Sam Varshavchik <mrs...@courier-mta.com> writes:
Ben Rosengart writes:
On Mon, Jul 08, 2002 at 06:03:21PM -0400, Sam Varshavchik wrote:
I already gave my answer: it's the mail server's job to refuse mail for nonexistent recipients. The fact that some MTAs can't always do that only means that they should do that.
So qmail is out of the play.
So every mail server should learn to speak to every backend to which maildrop can speak? That seems awfully redundant.
It's more like the other way around: maildrop should know how to speak to whatever account database the mail server uses.
Oh, it can do that, but it fails to communicate its trouble back, because it exits with EX_TEMPFAIL even for PERMANENT error conditions, like: no such user (EX_NOUSER).
The MTA relies on its MDA to communicate trouble back, waiting for the queue entry to expire just does not cut it.
Some MTAs allow you to "bless" maildrop to the general delivery backend, and don't bother to check. This is usually the more efficient approach compared to tricking the regular delivery backend into using maildrop.
The interface is there, it's sysexits.h, and maildrop defeats it for no good reason. Some MTAs (Postfix) don't bother to reject mail for non-existent users at the /usr/sbin/sendmail interface, and in this case, mail will ly around for a week or so, when it should instead bounce right away, which it would if maildrop bothered to exit(EX_NOUSER).
TECHNICAL reasons to refuse my patch like "it can return EX_NOUSER even for temporary failures" are fine, I will look into things and fix them. POLICY reasons just impair the usefulness of maildrop. And that's sad.
-- Matthias Andree







