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| Mitch (WebCob) | Jan 5, 2004 11:31 am | |
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| Julian Mehnle | Jan 6, 2004 4:17 pm | |
| Sam Varshavchik | Jan 6, 2004 4:31 pm | |
| Julian Mehnle | Jan 6, 2004 4:45 pm | |
| Roger B.A. Klorese | Jan 6, 2004 5:17 pm | |
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| Julian Mehnle | Jan 6, 2004 6:12 pm | |
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| Sam Varshavchik | Jan 6, 2004 6:34 pm | |
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| Mitch (WebCob) | Jan 6, 2004 11:19 pm | |
| Roland | Jan 7, 2004 3:56 am | |
| Sam Varshavchik | Jan 7, 2004 4:14 am | |
| Julian Mehnle | Jan 7, 2004 10:47 am | |
| Julian Mehnle | Jan 7, 2004 10:59 am | |
| Roger B.A. Klorese | Jan 7, 2004 11:37 am | |
| Malcolm Weir | Jan 7, 2004 12:18 pm | |
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| Julian Mehnle | Jan 7, 2004 4:03 pm | |
| Julian Mehnle | Jan 7, 2004 4:06 pm | |
| Roger B.A. Klorese | Jan 7, 2004 4:12 pm | |
| Phillip Hutchings | Jan 7, 2004 4:16 pm | |
| Mitch (WebCob) | Jan 7, 2004 4:27 pm | |
| Julian Mehnle | Jan 7, 2004 4:29 pm | |
| Mitch (WebCob) | Jan 7, 2004 4:32 pm | |
| Julian Mehnle | Jan 7, 2004 4:33 pm | |
| Gordon Messmer | Jan 7, 2004 4:58 pm | |
| Malcolm Weir | Jan 7, 2004 5:07 pm | |
| Julian Mehnle | Jan 7, 2004 5:27 pm | |
| Phillip Hutchings | Jan 7, 2004 6:33 pm | |
| Gordon Messmer | Jan 7, 2004 7:00 pm |
| Subject: | [courier-users] RE: freemail list and questions about yahoo... | |
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| From: | Julian Mehnle (lis...@mehnle.net) | |
| Date: | Jan 7, 2004 1:09:38 pm | |
| List: | net.sourceforge.lists.courier-users | |
Roger B.A. Klorese <rog...@queernet.org> wrote:
Julian Mehnle wrote:
Well, well. Some Internet Service Providers or Internet Access Providers (e.g. Earthlink or some hotels) provide crippled Internet access by blocking random IP ports. So what? That's neither SPF's nor YASAF's fault.
It's not about fault. It's about utility for users. Cutting off a significant percentage of users of the net because you don't approve of how their service providers manage port 25 connections is just hostile.
IMO this is absolutely irrelevant to any "SPF vs. YASAF" discussion. It may affect you, but as Roland already put it so bluntly, go bitch the braindead ISPs.
Well, first, I wouldn't "bitch them" because I don't disagree with them. I think they have every right to limit those connections. Second, since their actions don't break any extant standards, new ones should be worked around their behavior, not the other way around.
Nobody except you said anything about cutting anybody off the Internet. Not
every ISP and hotel blocks port 25. As long as people don't realize this and
still keep using such broken ISPs and go to such broken hotels, they will have
to live with it. You can't buy a fork and then demand that suppliers of instant
soup meals "work around" their future products to suit your fork.
Besides, granting someone a differing opinion and agreeing with him are two
entirely different things. Of course any ISP may sell any Internet access
product he wants, which may be as crippled as he wants. But I don't have to
agree with what they're doing. And certainly *I* wouldn't like any new
standards getting deformed just to accommodate even the most crippled Internet
access. If that were the case, I'd be propagating "7-bit SMTP forever" plus
something as braindead as RFC 2047/2231. Oops, did I say anything? ;-)