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Eduard MoraruSep 25, 2014 2:59 am 
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Guillaume LerougeSep 25, 2014 3:58 am 
Eduard MoraruSep 25, 2014 4:41 am 
Marius Dumitru FloreaSep 26, 2014 6:54 am 
Ecaterina Moraru (Valica)Sep 29, 2014 4:45 am 
Guillaume LerougeSep 29, 2014 5:48 am 
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Ecaterina Moraru (Valica)Sep 29, 2014 6:08 am 
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Ecaterina Moraru (Valica)Sep 29, 2014 6:28 am 
Guillaume LerougeSep 29, 2014 6:37 am 
Eduard MoraruOct 1, 2014 12:12 am 
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Marius Dumitru FloreaOct 1, 2014 3:20 am 
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Subject:Re: [xwiki-devs] [Discussion] New location of the "Add" menu in the new Flamingo skin
From:Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) (vali@gmail.com)
Date:Sep 29, 2014 4:45:28 am
List:org.xwiki.devs

On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 12:59 PM, Eduard Moraru <enyg@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi devs,

I`m not sure if we already have a discussion started on this topic, but in my opinion, it's long overdue. I see people start being confused and questions like this [1] start to be asked.

The new location of the Add menu in Flamingo is problematic IMO for a various number of reasons: - It falsely gives the impression that it adds page-related entries (i.e. related to the current page), due to its current location (i.e. in the page content) - It conflicts with AWM`s "Add new Entry" button - from my POV, looking at the page from a far, the new location looks completely randomly selected: -- It's not on the left/top (as left-to-right language specific brains are trained to follow) -- it's not exactly at the top either -- it's not at the right -- it's not next to the type of elements it creates (i.e. next to WIKI/SPACE/PAGE) -- it basically is almost in the middle of the screen - etc. (i.e. others that don`t come right now to my mind)

First of all, I agree that we must copy from one skin to another things that work, but I also believe that each skin could have their own characteristics. Flamingo skin brought some menu and panels changes and just time and user testing will reveal if the changes were beneficial. This doesn't mean that we should not experiment or keep just one style of interaction always.

Second of all, the big reason why I proposed this menu entry changes were some user complains that the actions were not in a single place. They complained that the actions were scattered across the UI and you had to Add in one part, Edit in another, while Copy/Move/Delete in other part of the UI. Maybe the problem is that we didn't go the full way, that meaning remove or duplicate the page actions (copy, rename, delete) in the 'More actions' menu. This way we could have had all the actions at hand. [one of the reasons I didn't propose this was because I kind of like the actions consistency of wiki/space/page menus - being able to delete a wiki/space/page entity in the same manner].

Another reason why we moved the Add from top, was that it had some visibility problems: some users ignored it's position and couldn't find it, compared to the central location it has now. Also on customized instances the globalmenu was hidden from users (because wiki/space/page menu were considered to be complex) this way disabling the user from creating entities.

Moving the Add from the globalmenu also gave the wiki/space/page breadcrumb more identity, separating a bit the navigation from actions.

I like both solutions (Colibri and Flamingo) and I see arguments for both, that's why maybe for me is hard to decide if one way is better than the other.

Thanks, Caty

I`d like to open a discussion on this, since it's quite an important aspect of the UI and, due to it's shiny green color (which I like :)), it`s hard to miss.

Is it just me who's resistant to change, or do others see a problem here with this as well?

Thanks, Eduard

---------- [1] http://xwiki.markmail.org/thread/rqcxryksa2ckjhpm