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| Stephen Thorpe | Feb 17, 2012 3:37 pm | |
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| Dr.B.J.Tindall | Feb 19, 2012 11:08 pm | |
| Paul van Rijckevorsel | Feb 19, 2012 11:52 pm | |
| Paul van Rijckevorsel | Feb 19, 2012 11:56 pm | |
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| Curtis Clark | Feb 20, 2012 7:28 am | |
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| Richard Zander | Feb 20, 2012 10:35 am | |
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| Paul van Rijckevorsel | Feb 21, 2012 1:03 am | |
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| Kim van der Linde | Feb 23, 2012 3:43 am | |
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| Dr Brian Taylor | Feb 23, 2012 4:29 am | |
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| Kim van der Linde | Feb 23, 2012 6:12 am | |
| Dr Brian Taylor | Feb 23, 2012 8:06 am | |
| Fran...@dmns.org | Feb 23, 2012 10:04 am | |
| Richard Zander | Feb 23, 2012 10:21 am | |
| Wolfgang Lorenz | Feb 23, 2012 10:50 am | |
| Paul van Rijckevorsel | Feb 24, 2012 12:28 am | |
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| Richard Pyle | Feb 24, 2012 11:33 am | |
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| Paul van Rijckevorsel | Feb 25, 2012 12:33 am | |
| Paul van Rijckevorsel | Feb 25, 2012 12:36 am | |
| Francisco Welter-Schultes | Feb 25, 2012 4:18 am | |
| Michael Schmitt | Feb 27, 2012 1:55 am | |
| Subject: | Re: [Taxacom] validation of taxon names | |
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| From: | Paul van Rijckevorsel (dipt...@freeler.nl) | |
| Date: | Feb 20, 2012 8:55:24 am | |
| List: | edu.ku.nhm.mailman.taxacom | |
From: "Curtis Clark" <lis...@curtisclark.org> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 4:29 PM
On 2/19/2012 11:56 PM, Paul van Rijckevorsel wrote:
I imagine there were (and are) many botanists who are looking at actual (living) plants as well, and who apply the iterative process, evaluating what characters are important, before deciding on what (parts of) plant to reduce to specimens.
Come on, you're just being snarky, and I expect better of you.
*** Funny, this was just what I was feeling, at your remark! * * *
Of *course* botanists looked at living plants. For my MS thesis in the early 1970s I looked at hundreds of exsiccatae, and then *visited the localities of everything interesting, unusual, or inexplicable* to see what the plants looked like in the field. And I came to different conclusions than those of exsiccatae-based studies of the past. My research career, and that of most of my students, differed little from that thereafter.
My general point is that systematics for many systematists is initially organism-based, rather than description-based. Don't try to read more into that than I intended.
*** I would say that the key term in your message was the "iterative process" that I am indeed hoping that all botanists are using to compose a hypothesis of the essential features of the plant. I guess that the degree to which this hypothesis is based on single organisms would depend mostly on the number of organisms he has seen (if he is working with one to a very few specimens, it will be organism- based; if he has hunderds of plants at his disposal then obviously not).
Paul
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