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Monica J. MartinJun 14, 2004 10:50 pm 
David RR WebberJun 15, 2004 7:26 am 
Monica J. MartinJun 15, 2004 8:05 am 
mart...@bt.comJun 15, 2004 8:31 am 
Jean-Jacques DubrayJun 15, 2004 8:38 am 
Yunker, JohnJun 15, 2004 9:06 am 
Jean-Jacques DubrayJun 15, 2004 10:00 am 
David RR WebberJun 15, 2004 10:07 am 
David RR WebberJun 15, 2004 10:10 am 
Yunker, JohnJun 15, 2004 10:11 am 
Yunker, JohnJun 15, 2004 10:18 am 
David RR WebberJun 15, 2004 10:19 am 
David RR WebberJun 15, 2004 10:24 am 
Monica J. MartinJun 15, 2004 10:30 am 
Monica J. MartinJun 15, 2004 10:33 am 
David RR WebberJun 15, 2004 10:55 am 
Jean-Jacques DubrayJun 15, 2004 11:16 am 
Hima...@sybase.comJun 15, 2004 11:20 am 
Jean-Jacques DubrayJun 15, 2004 11:38 am 
Jean-Jacques DubrayJun 15, 2004 11:51 am 
Yunker, JohnJun 15, 2004 11:51 am 
Yunker, JohnJun 15, 2004 11:54 am 
Yunker, JohnJun 15, 2004 11:59 am 
David RR WebberJun 15, 2004 12:34 pm 
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David RR WebberJun 15, 2004 6:17 pm 
Monica J. MartinJun 16, 2004 7:51 am 
Subject:Re: [ebxml-bp] [ebBP] Tell 6/14/2004: Business Contract Requirements for State Alignment
From:David RR Webber (dav@drrw.info)
Date:Jun 15, 2004 7:26:31 am
List:org.oasis-open.lists.ebxml-bp

Monica,

Not wanting to preempt discussion on Friday - but just wanting to throw out some technical ideas.

What if we linked the signals to the begins/endsWhen conditionals on a BT?

Just like with my proposal around linkage to context statements using a nameRefID - we could easily point to a named signal (it has that attribute already) and it would be either then boolean true or false. eg: beginsWhen="#mysignal-Is-On"

This still leaves how the signal itself gets set of course! Seems like Dales post earlier may fit / hint into that category...since the only attribute in the signal right now is the URI - how does one actually turn a signal on?!

If we can crack that "glue" then I believe we can provide what we need here.

Am I also right in thinking that essentially used in this way the signals actually constitute the equivalent of an immediate "break" command so familiar in procedural languages to escape into/out of the current logical block. In our case that is of course a BT.

DW

----- Original Message ----- From: "Monica J. Martin" <Moni@Sun.COM> To: "Anders W. Tell" <ande@toolsmiths.se>; "Yunker, John" <yun@amazon.com>; "Kenji Nagahashi" <naga@fla.fujitsu.com>; "Jean-Jacques Dubray" <jean@Attachmate.com> Cc: "ebXML BP" <ebxm@lists.oasis-open.org> Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 1:53 AM Subject: [ebxml-bp] [ebBP] Tell 6/14/2004: Business Contract Requirements for State Alignment

Today's ebBP call surrounded how we ensure (as much as practical) state alignment. Kenji Nagahashi proposed we provide additional constraints on web services (top-down approach - business process to web services). We would like to more fully discuss the business contract requirements related to: State alignment and business signals. Here are some of the questions that arose (from John Yunker particularly):

* How do signals give you state alignment? How do we get certainty from a business perspective? * How does the contract layer use the state alignment will help us relate the special business timeouts to the technical signal receipt.BPSS provides a semantic to the contract layer. The business level timeouts in addition to the protocol level have to be recognized. * How does the contract layer use the state alignment. This will help us relate the special business timeouts to the technical signal receipt. [1]

The bullets above can form the agenda (subject to team input). Any member is welcomed to attend. Those expressing an interest today were: Yunker, Dubray, Nagahashi and Moberg (and myself).

You have indicated you would be available Friday and Monday (6/21). Let's try, as discussed:

* 877 330 9868, international 909 472 3386, when prompted hit **, then passcode 09868. * Time: 9 a.m. PDT, 6 p.m. CET, 18 June 2004. * Agenda above.

Thanks. [1] Steve Capell, RedWahoo question.