64 messages in org.apache.incubator.generalRe: [PROPOSAL] Flex for Apache Incubator| From | Sent On | Attachments |
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| Alex Harui | Dec 19, 2011 12:20 pm | |
| Greg Stein | Dec 19, 2011 12:44 pm | |
| Donald Whytock | Dec 19, 2011 12:45 pm | |
| Marcel Offermans | Dec 19, 2011 12:57 pm | |
| Dave McAllister | Dec 19, 2011 1:51 pm | |
| Raju Bitter | Dec 19, 2011 3:39 pm | |
| ralp...@dslextreme.com | Dec 19, 2011 3:47 pm | |
| Greg Stein | Dec 19, 2011 6:08 pm | |
| Kalle Korhonen | Dec 19, 2011 8:55 pm | |
| Alex Harui | Dec 19, 2011 10:32 pm | |
| Leo Simons | Dec 20, 2011 1:01 am | |
| Bertrand Delacretaz | Dec 20, 2011 2:22 am | |
| Bertrand Delacretaz | Dec 20, 2011 2:27 am | |
| Raju Bitter | Dec 20, 2011 4:44 am | |
| Bertrand Delacretaz | Dec 20, 2011 5:38 am | |
| Alex Harui | Dec 20, 2011 8:03 am | |
| Raju Bitter | Dec 20, 2011 12:30 pm | |
| Greg Stein | Dec 20, 2011 12:37 pm | |
| Dave McAllister | Dec 20, 2011 12:41 pm | |
| Raju Bitter | Dec 20, 2011 1:48 pm | |
| Raju Bitter | Dec 20, 2011 1:54 pm | |
| Carol Frampton | Dec 20, 2011 1:55 pm | |
| Raju Bitter | Dec 20, 2011 2:03 pm | |
| Carol Frampton | Dec 20, 2011 2:10 pm | |
| Ross Gardler | Dec 20, 2011 2:24 pm | |
| Raju Bitter | Dec 20, 2011 2:31 pm | |
| William A. Rowe Jr. | Dec 20, 2011 2:35 pm | |
| Daniel Shahaf | Dec 20, 2011 2:44 pm | |
| Ross Gardler | Dec 20, 2011 2:51 pm | |
| Alex Harui | Dec 20, 2011 3:22 pm | |
| Alex Harui | Dec 20, 2011 3:27 pm | |
| Raju Bitter | Dec 20, 2011 4:46 pm | |
| Raju Bitter | Dec 20, 2011 6:00 pm | |
| Greg Stein | Dec 20, 2011 6:10 pm | |
| Craig L Russell | Dec 20, 2011 11:35 pm | |
| Bertrand Delacretaz | Dec 21, 2011 12:59 am | |
| Bertrand Delacretaz | Dec 21, 2011 1:09 am | |
| Alex Harui | Dec 21, 2011 1:50 am | |
| William A. Rowe Jr. | Dec 21, 2011 1:56 am | |
| William A. Rowe Jr. | Dec 21, 2011 2:01 am | |
| Raju Bitter | Dec 21, 2011 2:05 am | |
| Bertrand Delacretaz | Dec 21, 2011 2:15 am | |
| William A. Rowe Jr. | Dec 21, 2011 2:41 am | |
| Bertrand Delacretaz | Dec 21, 2011 2:59 am | |
| Ross Gardler | Dec 21, 2011 4:06 am | |
| Bertrand Delacretaz | Dec 21, 2011 4:49 am | |
| Ross Gardler | Dec 21, 2011 5:03 am | |
| Craig L Russell | Dec 21, 2011 5:36 am | |
| Carol Frampton | Dec 21, 2011 6:19 am | |
| Leo Simons | Dec 21, 2011 6:42 am | |
| Bertrand Delacretaz | Dec 21, 2011 6:51 am | |
| Raju Bitter | Dec 21, 2011 7:04 am | |
| Rui Silva | Dec 21, 2011 7:21 am | |
| Carol Frampton | Dec 21, 2011 7:29 am | |
| Raju Bitter | Dec 21, 2011 12:35 pm | |
| Raju Bitter | Dec 22, 2011 2:04 am | |
| Bertrand Delacretaz | Dec 22, 2011 2:19 am | |
| Raju Bitter | Dec 22, 2011 2:25 am | |
| Peter Elst | Dec 22, 2011 2:27 am | |
| Greg Stein | Dec 22, 2011 2:30 am | |
| Raju Bitter | Dec 22, 2011 5:27 am | |
| Greg Stein | Dec 22, 2011 6:47 am | |
| Raju Bitter | Dec 22, 2011 7:08 am | |
| Bertrand Delacretaz | Dec 23, 2011 7:08 am |
| Subject: | Re: [PROPOSAL] Flex for Apache Incubator | |
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| From: | Alex Harui (aha...@adobe.com) | |
| Date: | Dec 21, 2011 1:50:32 am | |
| List: | org.apache.incubator.general | |
Hi Raju,
Yes, we hope to contribute Falcon before it is finished, but it isn't ready to be contributed now, and the rest of the Flex SDK is and we have a large group of folks eager to get started on it.
There will be some overlap between folks working on Falcon and on the SDK, but I think the overlap is small enough that Falcon might be its own project or sub-project proposal to the incubator. It is a separate code base and separate set of engineers in Adobe at this time.
Deepa is on vacation right now, but when she returns she will be in a new role. Our understanding is that there isn't much need for Product Management if we get accepted into the incubator. I am pretty much the main point of contact with respect to Flex at Adobe and tasked with working out the timelines for when other Adobe source code will be contributed to Apache. This is a new road for me so I'm hoping to just get the Flex SDK in, learn from that experience and then work with other teams like the Falcon team to figure out a good timeframe for proposing their source code that minimizes impact to their schedules yet allows those interested to get involved.
-Alex
On 12/20/11 6:01 PM, "Raju Bitter" <raju...@googlemail.com> wrote:
Alex,
I have been watching this recording of a session in the Flex Summit a week ago: http://tv.adobe.com/watch/flex-community-summit-december-2011/open-discussion- about-falcon-and-falconjs/
Greg DeMichillie, Sr. Director of Product Management, and Danny Winokur, VP/GM Interactive Business Unit are leading the discussion, and in that discussion the conclusion seems to be that it makes sense to contribute the unfinished Falcon compiler work to Apache. Falcon is the next version of the ActionScript/MXML compiler for Flex, and will bring performance improvements of 10 x to ActionScript compilation.
The result of that discussion seems to be that 1) The community should get access to the Falcon compiler BEFORE it will be released. 2) There is enough interest in the community to help Adobe finish the Falcon ActionScript compiler. 3) The community might be responsible for finishing the MXML -> ActionScript compilation unit of Falcon.
I'll try to reach out to Deepa Subramaniam to see if there has been a decision made by now on the Falcon topic, but it might be easier for you to reach out to Greg or Danny directly to see what the status is. If Falcon would be contributed to Apache before the work has been finished, that should be included in the proposal.
Best, Raju
2011/12/21 Alex Harui <aha...@adobe.com>:
Responses inline:
On 12/20/11 12:30 PM, "Raju Bitter" <raju...@googlemail.com> wrote:
Hi Alex,
re-reading the proposal, a few other questions came to my mind:
1) Flash Player SDK What are you referring to, when listing the "Adobe Flash Player SDK" under "External Dependencies". The Adobe website says: http://www.adobe.com/products/flashplayer_sdk/ "Sorry, page not available", and then:
As of October 1, 2007, the Macromedia® Flash® Player 7 SDK will no longer be available. The migration path for the Flash Player 7 SDK is Adobe® Flash Lite 3. The Adobe Flash Lite 3 runtime provides mobile and consumer electronics device manufacturers the ability to deliver the most engaging mobile experiences across devices.
Does the Flash Player SDK still exist as a product?
I guess not. The main thing we need is a file called playerglobal.swc which is on the FlashPlayer downloads page. I had seen it referenced as the Flash Player SDK at one time, but it looks like that is no longer true. I will double-check and then update the proposal.
2) Action Script Virtual Machine (AVM) In November 2006 Adobe open source the Flash Player Script engine: http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/press/mozilla-2006-11-07.html Is the source code of Tamarin still the current version of the Action Script Virtual Machine in Flash Player 11? If there is a new version of the AVM (2+), will that be contributed to the Apache Software Foundation as well?
It doesn't really make sense to only contribute a compiler, if there is no open source implementation of a runtime/scripting engine available, but that might only be my personal view. If the community would decide to create a an open standards based runtime for Flex, would that mean the community would have to start from zero?
This proposal is about Adobe Flex which is separate from Tamarin. And separate from the future of Tamarin. I cannot speak to anything related to Tamarin.
3) Commercial support for Apache Flex Does Adobe plan to offer support for an Apache Flex product? If yes, what kind of support would be planned. I read somewhere that Adobe will not offer any support for Flex 4.6+ to new customers, but I'm not sure, if that's still the current plan.
Adobe is not currently planning to offer support for Flex released from Apache, but that could change.
4) Flash Player Are there any plans to open source a stripped-down version of Flash Player, e.g. the discontinued version of Flash Player for mobile) in the future (similar to the pure open source Flex SDK vs. the commercial SDK)? The Apache community could continue working on a browser-based mobile runtime for Apache Flex, if that was the case.
This proposal is about Adobe Flex which, while it runs in the Flash Player, is separate from the Flash Player. I cannot speak to any plans related to the Flash Player.
I hope I don't sound to skeptical here, but Adobe Flex is quite different from most Apache projects I've been in contact with. It's a powerful compiler with an interesting language, but it looks like the output of the compiler can only be used with Adobe-owned proprietary software at the moment.
This proposal is about Adobe Flex which in my mind is largely the ActionScript source code that forms a framework that enables folks to easily and quickly produce useful applications. The compiler source we are donating in this proposal is actually being superceded by a whole new compiler code base in a project at Adobe called Falcon that will likely be donated to Apache later. Given that Tamarin is open source and the SWF file format is public, I don't think there is much to stop someone else from creating their own SWF player. So while the current reality is that these SWFs only run in Adobe-owned players, I don't think there is a technical reason for it.
Raju
Hi everyone,
I would like to propose Flex to be an Apache Incubator project.
Here's a link to the proposal: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/FlexProposal
Thank you,
Alex Harui Flex SDK Team Adobe Systems, Inc. http://blogs.adobe.com/aharui
-- Alex Harui Flex SDK Team Adobe Systems, Inc. http://blogs.adobe.com/aharui
-- Alex Harui Flex SDK Team Adobe Systems, Inc. http://blogs.adobe.com/aharui