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| Vadim Goncharov | Aug 17, 2011 4:09 pm | |
| Baptiste Daroussin | Aug 18, 2011 12:49 am | |
| Robert Watson | Aug 18, 2011 8:41 am | |
| Maxim Ignatenko | Aug 18, 2011 11:09 am | |
| Lev Serebryakov | Aug 18, 2011 12:49 pm | |
| Lev Serebryakov | Aug 18, 2011 2:23 pm | |
| Vadim Goncharov | Aug 18, 2011 2:45 pm | |
| Hans Petter Selasky | Aug 18, 2011 2:45 pm | |
| Vadim Goncharov | Aug 18, 2011 2:59 pm | |
| Vadim Goncharov | Aug 18, 2011 3:17 pm | |
| Julian Elischer | Aug 18, 2011 7:53 pm | |
| Michael V. Buzuverov | Aug 18, 2011 8:48 pm | |
| Lars Engels | Aug 18, 2011 10:55 pm | |
| Lars Engels | Aug 19, 2011 12:37 am | |
| Robert Watson | Aug 19, 2011 1:23 am | |
| Lev Serebryakov | Aug 19, 2011 1:36 am | |
| Robert Watson | Aug 19, 2011 1:41 am | |
| Lev Serebryakov | Aug 19, 2011 1:49 am | |
| Robert Watson | Aug 19, 2011 1:55 am | |
| Slawa Olhovchenkov | Aug 19, 2011 2:05 am | |
| Lev Serebryakov | Aug 19, 2011 2:05 am | |
| Adrian Chadd | Aug 19, 2011 2:05 am | |
| Slawa Olhovchenkov | Aug 19, 2011 2:22 am | |
| Lev Serebryakov | Aug 19, 2011 2:25 am | |
| Lev Serebryakov | Aug 19, 2011 2:27 am | |
| Robert N. M. Watson | Aug 19, 2011 2:36 am | |
| Slawa Olhovchenkov | Aug 19, 2011 2:36 am | |
| Robert N. M. Watson | Aug 19, 2011 2:37 am | |
| Slawa Olhovchenkov | Aug 19, 2011 2:50 am | |
| Bob Bishop | Aug 19, 2011 2:51 am | |
| Pieter de Goeje | Aug 19, 2011 5:01 am | |
| Kris Moore | Aug 19, 2011 5:20 am | |
| Lev Serebryakov | Aug 19, 2011 6:52 am | |
| Adrian Chadd | Aug 19, 2011 8:26 am | |
| Gary Palmer | Aug 19, 2011 10:22 am | |
| Robert Watson | Aug 19, 2011 11:49 am | |
| Nathan Whitehorn | Aug 19, 2011 1:17 pm | |
| Pedro F. Giffuni | Aug 19, 2011 1:29 pm | |
| Gary Palmer | Aug 19, 2011 1:30 pm | |
| Kostik Belousov | Aug 19, 2011 2:26 pm | |
| Rick Macklem | Aug 19, 2011 3:38 pm | |
| Robert Watson | Aug 19, 2011 3:57 pm | |
| Pedro F. Giffuni | Aug 19, 2011 5:57 pm | |
| Lev Serebryakov | Aug 19, 2011 11:14 pm | |
| Robert Watson | Aug 20, 2011 4:37 am | |
| Luigi Rizzo | Aug 20, 2011 6:42 am | |
| Poul-Henning Kamp | Aug 20, 2011 7:10 am | |
| Robert N. M. Watson | Aug 20, 2011 7:21 am | |
| Lev Serebryakov | Aug 20, 2011 2:09 pm | |
| Luigi Rizzo | Aug 20, 2011 2:36 pm | |
| Peter Jeremy | Aug 21, 2011 4:04 am | |
| Slawa Olhovchenkov | Aug 21, 2011 6:51 am | |
| Marcin Wisnicki | Aug 22, 2011 10:04 am | |
| Marcin Wisnicki | Aug 22, 2011 11:33 am | |
| selven | Aug 22, 2011 11:06 pm | |
| Adrian Chadd | Aug 22, 2011 11:49 pm | |
| Garrett Cooper | Aug 22, 2011 11:54 pm | |
| Diane Bruce | Aug 23, 2011 7:01 pm | |
| Vadim Goncharov | Aug 24, 2011 3:08 pm | |
| Vadim Goncharov | Aug 24, 2011 3:15 pm | |
| Vadim Goncharov | Aug 24, 2011 3:20 pm | |
| Vadim Goncharov | Aug 24, 2011 3:29 pm | |
| Milo Hyson | Aug 24, 2011 7:42 pm | |
| gnuy...@gmail.com | Aug 24, 2011 8:33 pm | |
| Alex Goncharov | Aug 24, 2011 8:47 pm | |
| Milo Hyson | Aug 24, 2011 10:04 pm | |
| Adrian Chadd | Aug 24, 2011 10:24 pm | |
| Vadim Goncharov | Aug 25, 2011 8:20 am | |
| Vadim Goncharov | Aug 25, 2011 8:33 am | |
| Vadim Goncharov | Aug 25, 2011 8:41 am | |
| Garrett Cooper | Aug 25, 2011 11:15 am | |
| Xin LI | Aug 25, 2011 11:20 am | |
| Diane Bruce | Aug 25, 2011 1:12 pm | |
| Vadim Goncharov | Aug 25, 2011 1:29 pm | |
| Vadim Goncharov | Aug 25, 2011 1:52 pm | |
| md...@FreeBSD.org | Aug 25, 2011 1:58 pm | |
| Vadim Goncharov | Aug 25, 2011 3:08 pm | |
| Brandon Gooch | Aug 25, 2011 5:12 pm | |
| Robert Watson | Aug 26, 2011 1:58 am | |
| Robert Watson | Aug 26, 2011 2:05 am | |
| Adrian Chadd | Aug 26, 2011 2:16 am | |
| Slawa Olhovchenkov | Aug 26, 2011 2:37 am | |
| Jonathan Anderson | Aug 26, 2011 3:04 am | |
| Adrian Chadd | Aug 26, 2011 3:34 am | |
| Robert Watson | Aug 26, 2011 4:23 am | |
| Jonathan Anderson | Aug 26, 2011 4:43 am | |
| Jonathan Anderson | Aug 26, 2011 5:11 am | |
| Gleb Kurtsou | Aug 26, 2011 11:31 am | |
| 104 later messages | ||
| Subject: | Re: FreeBSD problems and preliminary ways to solve | |
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| From: | Pedro F. Giffuni (giff...@tutopia.com) | |
| Date: | Aug 19, 2011 1:29:43 pm | |
| List: | org.freebsd.freebsd-arch | |
First of all, thanks to Vadim for his initial post: it's evident he spend a lot of time preparing it.
I just want to give my 0.02$ to this discussion:
FreeBSD 9.0 is a huge step in the right direction in many ways. Perhaps what I like most is getting done with the last GNU toolchain and ZFS updates and maintaining the well known stability and performance along with the new features.
Unfortunately some necessary updates didn't make it in time, in particular pkgng and the X.Org drivers. The new installer is promising but lately installing and configuring XOrg has become a nightmare so I find myself suggesting people to use PC-BSD instead.
Some rather important changes that seem critical for the future like ARM-EABI and a new toolchain seem to be lacking developers and perhaps are going on too slowly to expect them to work in the near future but, all in all, I should mention that FreeBSD is still very influential and competitive. I've seen posts not too long ago where linux developers praise FreeBSD for keeping the development pace despite having a much smaller group.
What I think is that perhaps FreeBSD shouldn´t be expecting to be a better linux than linux, simply because there is no company related to any BSD in capacity to compete with, say, Redhat. We still can do pretty much everything linux does with a little extras, but we are a actually niche market and it actually hasn't worked bad at all for us.
Concerning BSD sites moving to linux to reduce costs, as a long time Yahoo user I have to say that doesn't seem to be going very well for them. I am pretty sure such a process is painful for them as it is for the end user.
IMHO, we need to focus on the two fields where people expect FreeBSD to shine:
- Servers: performance has always been our strong point but perhaps we should be focusing on ease of use. Ohh... BTW, jails are awesome!
- Embedded devices: FreeBSD's license is key here.
I don't think the FreeBSD Foundation has been clueless at all though, coordinating efforts in a voluntary project like this *is* tough. Some people complain because we release too fast but some also complain because the release cycle is too long. We can't satisfy everyone and development just goes on.
Pedro.
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