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87 messages in net.nether.puck.cisco-nsp[c-nsp] Growing BGP tables| From | Sent On | Attachments |
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| Vincent De Keyzer | Nov 19, 2004 6:46 am | |
| Gert Doering | Nov 19, 2004 9:01 am | |
| David J. Hughes | Nov 21, 2004 5:15 pm | |
| Ryan O'Connell | Nov 21, 2004 5:43 pm | |
| Brian Feeny | Nov 21, 2004 9:16 pm | |
| Jon Lewis | Nov 21, 2004 9:49 pm | |
| Gert Doering | Nov 22, 2004 2:55 am | |
| Ian Dickinson | Nov 22, 2004 4:11 am | |
| Neil J. McRae | Nov 22, 2004 4:52 am | |
| Ian Dickinson | Nov 22, 2004 5:47 am | |
| David J. Hughes | Nov 22, 2004 6:45 am | |
| Gert Doering | Nov 22, 2004 7:36 am | |
| Rainer Borromeo | Nov 22, 2004 8:39 am | |
| Jared Mauch | Nov 22, 2004 10:19 am | |
| Gert Doering | Nov 22, 2004 11:07 am | |
| Łukasz Bromirski | Nov 22, 2004 11:15 am | |
| Brian Feeny | Nov 22, 2004 12:04 pm | |
| Gunther Stammwitz | Nov 22, 2004 1:51 pm | |
| Jared Mauch | Nov 22, 2004 2:03 pm | |
| Michael Lyngbøl | Nov 22, 2004 2:15 pm | |
| Gunther Stammwitz | Nov 22, 2004 2:19 pm | |
| David J. Hughes | Nov 22, 2004 2:44 pm | |
| Brian Feeny | Nov 22, 2004 4:48 pm | |
| David J. Hughes | Nov 22, 2004 4:53 pm | |
| Rodney Dunn | Nov 22, 2004 4:58 pm | |
| David J. Hughes | Nov 22, 2004 4:59 pm | |
| David J. Hughes | Nov 22, 2004 5:17 pm | |
| Randy Bush | Nov 22, 2004 5:21 pm | |
| David J. Hughes | Nov 22, 2004 5:31 pm | |
| Randy Bush | Nov 22, 2004 5:34 pm | |
| Brian Feeny | Nov 22, 2004 5:38 pm | |
| Rodney Dunn | Nov 22, 2004 8:17 pm | |
| Rodney Dunn | Nov 22, 2004 8:31 pm | |
| Michael Lyngbøl | Nov 23, 2004 2:44 am | |
| Neil J. McRae | Nov 23, 2004 5:10 am | |
| Neil J. McRae | Nov 23, 2004 5:10 am | |
| Gert Doering | Nov 23, 2004 5:24 am | |
| Michael Lyngbøl | Nov 23, 2004 5:29 am | |
| Neil J. McRae | Nov 23, 2004 5:38 am | |
| Michael Lyngbøl | Nov 23, 2004 5:39 am | |
| Martin Robinson | Nov 23, 2004 5:50 am | |
| Tantsura, Jeff | Nov 23, 2004 5:51 am | |
| Neil J. McRae | Nov 23, 2004 6:42 am | |
| Ben Crocker | Nov 23, 2004 6:54 am | |
| ege iyioglu | Nov 23, 2004 9:28 am | |
| Tantsura, Jeff | Nov 23, 2004 10:17 am | |
| Rodney Dunn | Nov 23, 2004 10:39 am | |
| Tantsura, Jeff | Nov 23, 2004 11:12 am | |
| Rodney Dunn | Nov 23, 2004 11:38 am | |
| Brian Feeny | Nov 23, 2004 12:11 pm | |
| Rodney Dunn | Nov 23, 2004 12:33 pm | |
| Gert Doering | Nov 23, 2004 3:01 pm | |
| David J. Hughes | Nov 23, 2004 4:42 pm | |
| Rodney Dunn | Nov 23, 2004 7:33 pm | |
| Brian Feeny | Nov 23, 2004 7:37 pm | |
| David J. Hughes | Nov 23, 2004 8:30 pm | |
| Mihai CHELARU | Nov 24, 2004 5:07 am | |
| Gert Doering | Nov 24, 2004 7:27 am | |
| Rodney Dunn | Nov 24, 2004 8:27 am | |
| David J. Hughes | Nov 24, 2004 6:28 pm | |
| Krzysztof Adamski | Nov 24, 2004 10:33 pm | |
| Robert Boyle | Nov 25, 2004 12:48 am | |
| Bill Wichers | Nov 25, 2004 12:56 am | |
| Krzysztof Adamski | Nov 25, 2004 9:44 am | |
| Stephen J. Wilcox | Nov 26, 2004 9:21 am | |
| Gert Doering | Nov 26, 2004 10:03 am | |
| Stephen J. Wilcox | Nov 26, 2004 11:09 am | |
| Gert Doering | Nov 26, 2004 11:20 am | |
| Stephen J. Wilcox | Nov 27, 2004 6:53 am | |
| Rodney Dunn | Nov 30, 2004 6:40 pm | |
| David J. Hughes | Nov 30, 2004 7:26 pm | |
| Rodney Dunn | Nov 30, 2004 10:30 pm | |
| Randy Bush | Dec 1, 2004 12:30 am | |
| David J. Hughes | Dec 1, 2004 12:57 am | |
| lee....@census.gov | Dec 1, 2004 8:59 am | |
| Rodney Dunn | Dec 1, 2004 9:18 am | |
| lee....@census.gov | Dec 1, 2004 11:18 am | |
| David J. Hughes | Dec 1, 2004 8:40 pm | |
| Randy Bush | Dec 1, 2004 8:51 pm | |
| Rodney Dunn | Jan 27, 2005 11:41 am | |
| Gert Doering | Jan 27, 2005 11:45 am | |
| Rodney Dunn | Jan 27, 2005 11:48 am | |
| David J. Hughes | Jan 27, 2005 11:42 pm | |
| Joe Maimon | Jan 28, 2005 8:28 am | |
| Jon Lewis | Jan 28, 2005 9:25 am | |
| Joe Maimon | Jan 28, 2005 9:52 am | |
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| Subject: | [c-nsp] Growing BGP tables | Actions... |
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| From: | David J. Hughes (bam...@Hughes.com.au) | |
| Date: | Nov 22, 2004 6:45:23 am | |
| List: | net.nether.puck.cisco-nsp | |
On 22/11/2004, at 5:54 PM, Gert Doering wrote:
Surely it needs to be done with great care.
Very, very true.
OTOH: people are free to renumber into aggregateable upstream space if their /24 stops working. Why do I have to pay for their convenience?
And for those that obtained a portable /24 from AUNIC because they were small but multi-homed? Those networks have been working just fine for the past 10 years because (a) they are addressed based on the original standard and (b) the space was allocated to them by the legitimate RIR of the time. So we penalise them because there are many larger providers who have de-aggregated their blocks to death?
Australia is a little different. The 'net uptake here was huge in the mid 90's. Many, many organisations were allocated /24's and all looked good in the world because Geoff Huston continued to announce 203/8. Now that there are more transit providers things look less "orderly" as those smaller organisations announce their /24's and there's no distinct aggregate floating around. However, I don't see this being a problem of "their convenience". More a bi-product of people doing the right thing - at least as it was at that point in time.
Dropping /24's from the original class C space would, IMHO, be wrong from a standards point of view, and unnecessarily disruptive from a connectivity point of view. That "great care" you mentioned could be applied to fix the table size without knowingly breaking things for people who "did the right thing", albeit it 10 years ago.
David ...







