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| Vadim Goncharov | Aug 17, 2011 4:09 pm | |
| Baptiste Daroussin | Aug 18, 2011 12:49 am | |
| Robert Watson | Aug 18, 2011 8:41 am | |
| Maxim Ignatenko | Aug 18, 2011 11:09 am | |
| Lev Serebryakov | Aug 18, 2011 12:49 pm | |
| Lev Serebryakov | Aug 18, 2011 2:23 pm | |
| Vadim Goncharov | Aug 18, 2011 2:45 pm | |
| Hans Petter Selasky | Aug 18, 2011 2:45 pm | |
| Vadim Goncharov | Aug 18, 2011 2:59 pm | |
| Vadim Goncharov | Aug 18, 2011 3:17 pm | |
| Julian Elischer | Aug 18, 2011 7:53 pm | |
| Michael V. Buzuverov | Aug 18, 2011 8:48 pm | |
| Lars Engels | Aug 18, 2011 10:55 pm | |
| Lars Engels | Aug 19, 2011 12:37 am | |
| Robert Watson | Aug 19, 2011 1:23 am | |
| Lev Serebryakov | Aug 19, 2011 1:36 am | |
| Robert Watson | Aug 19, 2011 1:41 am | |
| Lev Serebryakov | Aug 19, 2011 1:49 am | |
| Robert Watson | Aug 19, 2011 1:55 am | |
| Slawa Olhovchenkov | Aug 19, 2011 2:05 am | |
| Lev Serebryakov | Aug 19, 2011 2:05 am | |
| Adrian Chadd | Aug 19, 2011 2:05 am | |
| Slawa Olhovchenkov | Aug 19, 2011 2:22 am | |
| Lev Serebryakov | Aug 19, 2011 2:25 am | |
| Lev Serebryakov | Aug 19, 2011 2:27 am | |
| Robert N. M. Watson | Aug 19, 2011 2:36 am | |
| Slawa Olhovchenkov | Aug 19, 2011 2:36 am | |
| Robert N. M. Watson | Aug 19, 2011 2:37 am | |
| Slawa Olhovchenkov | Aug 19, 2011 2:50 am | |
| Bob Bishop | Aug 19, 2011 2:51 am | |
| Pieter de Goeje | Aug 19, 2011 5:01 am | |
| Kris Moore | Aug 19, 2011 5:20 am | |
| Lev Serebryakov | Aug 19, 2011 6:52 am | |
| Adrian Chadd | Aug 19, 2011 8:26 am | |
| Gary Palmer | Aug 19, 2011 10:22 am | |
| Robert Watson | Aug 19, 2011 11:49 am | |
| Nathan Whitehorn | Aug 19, 2011 1:17 pm | |
| Pedro F. Giffuni | Aug 19, 2011 1:29 pm | |
| Gary Palmer | Aug 19, 2011 1:30 pm | |
| Kostik Belousov | Aug 19, 2011 2:26 pm | |
| Rick Macklem | Aug 19, 2011 3:38 pm | |
| Robert Watson | Aug 19, 2011 3:57 pm | |
| Pedro F. Giffuni | Aug 19, 2011 5:57 pm | |
| Lev Serebryakov | Aug 19, 2011 11:14 pm | |
| Robert Watson | Aug 20, 2011 4:37 am | |
| Luigi Rizzo | Aug 20, 2011 6:42 am | |
| Poul-Henning Kamp | Aug 20, 2011 7:10 am | |
| Robert N. M. Watson | Aug 20, 2011 7:21 am | |
| Lev Serebryakov | Aug 20, 2011 2:09 pm | |
| Luigi Rizzo | Aug 20, 2011 2:36 pm | |
| Peter Jeremy | Aug 21, 2011 4:04 am | |
| Slawa Olhovchenkov | Aug 21, 2011 6:51 am | |
| Marcin Wisnicki | Aug 22, 2011 10:04 am | |
| Marcin Wisnicki | Aug 22, 2011 11:33 am | |
| selven | Aug 22, 2011 11:06 pm | |
| Adrian Chadd | Aug 22, 2011 11:49 pm | |
| Garrett Cooper | Aug 22, 2011 11:54 pm | |
| Diane Bruce | Aug 23, 2011 7:01 pm | |
| Vadim Goncharov | Aug 24, 2011 3:08 pm | |
| Vadim Goncharov | Aug 24, 2011 3:15 pm | |
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| Subject: | Re: FreeBSD problems and preliminary ways to solve | |
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| From: | Vadim Goncharov (vadi...@mail.ru) | |
| Date: | Aug 18, 2011 3:17:02 pm | |
| List: | org.freebsd.freebsd-arch | |
Hi Lev Serebryakov!
On Fri, 19 Aug 2011 01:24:21 +0400; Lev Serebryakov wrote about 'Re: FreeBSD
problems and preliminary ways to solve':
The other social problem is lack of companies which offer commercial support of FreeBSD like RedHat does.
Main social problem, IMHO, that there WAS NOT (I forgot Linux history and don't rememberfirst uf-distributive) and, later, Ubuntu-like versions of FeeBSD. Even if these doen;t replace Windows on many desktops (1% now?), they prepare Linux-aware users, and some of these users becomes admins or people, who decide which OS should be used in their business.
PC-BSD is exactly for that.
And, I think, it is too late. Why somebody should now choose FreeBSD when here is fancy Linux with bells and whistles? :( Yes, I'm pessimistic :( [...] better that Linux for many server tasks. Now Solaris future is unclear, but before Sun/Oracle acquisition it looks TECHNICALLY very
It's wrong and harmful to be pessimistic these days, as FreeBSD has prospects just exactly because of what happened to Sun. And because Linux /feels itself a winner/ now - and you know what happens with monopolies which stop to develop. But FreeBSD needs to invest efforts (and serious efforts) to use the opportunities, of course.
everything is ``suitable'' for common tasks. And it is NOT ENOUGH to be technically better. System should be far more superior to be chosen, if it is not fancy/trendy. Yes, I belive, that FreeBSD is better than Linux (at least on supported hardware) in server tasks, more clear, more solid, etc. But it is ``only'' better, and is not enough.
No. The whole message was about that FreeBSD is worse in several areas, which masks out areas where it is better. If that will get fixed, we could talk about is it needing to be "far more" superior or not. But not before that as excuse to do nothing - no such excuse exists.
Other factors are hardware certification and hosting providers. And, yes, commercial software. I mean Oracle and (not-so-commercial but very important) Java :)
True.
And even best-in-class or best-in-world package management system and streamlined base system DON'T SOLVE non-technical problems. They could help don't lose current users, but they can not help find new ones!
Yes, that's the first task - to not lose current users, the second - to dig in our rock solid niche, and only then - to attack and find new ones.
-- WBR, Vadim Goncharov. ICQ#166852181 mailto:vadi...@mail.ru [Moderator of RU.ANTI-ECOLOGY][FreeBSD][http://antigreen.org][LJ:/nuclight]
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