|LI Yanming / FTR&D / US||Sep 9, 2003 10:29 am|
|Ron Ten-Hove||Sep 9, 2003 10:54 am|
|Martin Chapman||Sep 9, 2003 11:22 am|
|Ugo Corda||Sep 9, 2003 11:23 am|
|David RR Webber - XML ebusiness||Sep 9, 2003 11:24 am|
|Ron Ten-Hove||Sep 9, 2003 11:43 am|
|Ugo Corda||Sep 9, 2003 11:54 am|
|Ron Ten-Hove||Sep 9, 2003 12:13 pm|
|Ron Ten-Hove||Sep 9, 2003 12:16 pm|
|David RR Webber - XML ebusiness||Sep 9, 2003 1:34 pm|
|Ron Ten-Hove||Sep 9, 2003 3:51 pm|
|David RR Webber - XML ebusiness||Sep 9, 2003 4:23 pm|
|Eckenfels. Bernd||Sep 10, 2003 6:49 am|
|Ugo Corda||Sep 10, 2003 7:58 am|
|Martin Chapman||Sep 10, 2003 11:19 am|
|David RR Webber - XML ebusiness||Sep 10, 2003 12:03 pm|
|Ron Ten-Hove||Sep 10, 2003 12:31 pm|
|Eckenfels. Bernd||Sep 10, 2003 12:43 pm|
|David RR Webber - XML ebusiness||Sep 10, 2003 7:45 pm|
|Ron Ten-Hove||Sep 12, 2003 7:49 am|
|David RR Webber - XML ebusiness||Sep 12, 2003 9:17 am|
|Subject:||RE: [wsbpel] Q: guidelines for reliability?|
|From:||Martin Chapman (mart...@oracle.com)|
|Date:||Sep 9, 2003 11:22:53 am|
Couple of points on this.
1. Neither Reliability specs are standards at the moment. One is proprietary technology and the other (WS-Reliability) is going through the standards process in a sister OASIS group (WS-RM TC).
2. While I agree the actual mechanism should not be baked into a spec, unless the chosen approach is communicated somehow there will be zero chance of interoperability. It seems that some QOS info should be conveyed, but whether this is in a BPEL document or in an underlying WSDL document is not clear.
-----Original Message----- From: Ron Ten-Hove [mailto:Rona...@Sun.COM] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 11:16 AM To: LI Yanming / FTR&D / US Cc: 'wsb...@lists.oasis-open.org' Subject: Re: [wsbpel] Q: guidelines for reliability?
I believe the issue is out of scope for BPEL4WS, which is based on an abstract (WSDL-based) messaging model. There is an assumption that some sort of reliable messaging is in use, but that is a deployment issue, not a BPEL issue.
LI Yanming / FTR&D / US wrote:
As we can see no hope for convergence between the two WS reliable messaging standards, one from MS,IBM and BEA, and the other one from OASIS supported by Sun, Oracle and others, I believe there will be a need to create a common context in BPEL in order to use different mechanisms for reliable messaging. Any comment?
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