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14 messages in org.apache.cxf.userRe: Axis2 vs CXF| From | Sent On | Attachments |
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| Arkady Kasianski | Jul 5, 2007 7:32 am | |
| Alexey Zavizionov | Jul 5, 2007 7:41 am | |
| Sergey Beryozkin | Jul 5, 2007 8:06 am | |
| Alexey Zavizionov | Jul 5, 2007 8:26 am | |
| Sergey Beryozkin | Jul 5, 2007 8:38 am | |
| Arkady Kasianski | Jul 5, 2007 9:08 am | |
| Dan Connelly | Jul 5, 2007 9:39 am | |
| Sergey Beryozkin | Jul 5, 2007 10:42 am | |
| Paul Brown | Jul 5, 2007 11:04 am | |
| Daniel Kulp | Jul 5, 2007 12:51 pm | |
| Bozhong Lin | Jul 5, 2007 7:01 pm | |
| Dan Connelly | Jul 6, 2007 5:15 am | |
| Dan Diephouse | Jul 7, 2007 12:13 pm | |
| Dan Connelly | Jul 8, 2007 3:43 am |
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| From: | Dan Connelly (dani...@comcast.net) | |
| Date: | Jul 8, 2007 3:43:37 am | |
| List: | org.apache.cxf.user | |
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Backtracking on myself a bit, WS-BPEL and Ode are only one way to
address the linkage of business services with web services.<br>
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The core aspect is actually less complex, less orthogonal. At this
point I would focus, instead, on the ability to create of ad hoc,
dynamic, composed service implementations using a scripting
language. <br>
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So a simplified approach when looking at the future of WSDLing servers
is to look at their support for JavaScript Both CXF (as a server) and
WSO2 Mashup server (which is built on Axis2) support JavaScript for
service implementation. I am not sure about Metro, SpringWS or
JBossWS. I believe that Microsoft's WCF supports VB Script for
services. Are there others?<br>
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Having the script mimic JAX-WS is ok, but not a requirement, in my
book. The comparison I would like to see is between CXF server and
WSO2 Mashup server.<br>
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Ideally, bpel can be extended by other scripting, like JavaScript.
However, I am not sure if the standard supports that or if Ode, for
instance, would support such an extension. <br>
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-- Dan Connelly<br>
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Dan Connelly wrote:
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Sergey:<br>
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I disagree that WS-BPEL can be considered orthogonal looking forward
into future of SOA, CXF in particular.<br>
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Only Spring WS gets this right. The Business Service(s) must be
<u>injected</u>
into the message delivery Endpoint. Web Services are not Business
Services. The purpose of Business Services is to drive revenue.<br>
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In constrast, Axis2 service skeletons are bad idea because they
encourages CORBA-istic thinking, that its all just some elaborate (and
expensive) plumbing.<br>
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Fortuitously, Axis2 gets bailed out by its Synapse and Ode
integrations, IMHO. Add to this the WSO2 ESB web management (for
Synapse/Axis2) and it starts looking pretty good for dear old Axis2.<br>
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Of course, as Paul Brown points out, all these tools are fairly
promiscuous. Its all licentious Plug and Play, if that's what you
want. However, my opinion is that SOA has passed the point where a <i>joga
bonita</i> will its driving force. It needs to stick the ball in the
back of the net at this point.<br>
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-- Dan Connelly <br>
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PS. I really do like JBI and ServiceMix. SM is really nice for
gluing component containers together, and it has a useful CXF
integration. But here we are talking about expensive plumbing again,
and again, and again.<br>
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Sergey Beryozkin wrote:
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<pre wrap="">I'm not sure ODE has to do anything with CXF ...It's a WS-BPEL
impl. What it does is kind of orthogonal to what CXF is about, isn't it ? CXF
can help one to write a service among other things but how to implement the
service is orthogonal, BPEL-based service implementation is just one possible
option really and it seems well above CXF or Axis2.
Thanks, Sergey
P.S. Sorry, had to remove your PS as the spam filter was rejecting my reply.
----- Original Message ----- From: Dan Connelly To: <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:cxf-...@incubator.apache.org">cxf-...@incubator.apache.org</a> Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 5:39 PM Subject: Re: Axis2 vs CXF
My advice: Pick your ESB wisely (first).
The important comparison checklist to look at would be the spec-off between
WSO2, ServiceMix and (maybe) Mule.
WSO2 uses Axis2, Synapse and Ode.
SerivceMix uses CXF. (What the equivalent for Ode for CXF?)
Mule ??.
There is some discussion of this currently at <a
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href="http://www.theserverside.com/news/thread.tss?thread_id=46044">http://www.theserverside.com/news/thread.tss?thread_id=46044</a>
-- Dan Connelly
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