16 messages in edu.ku.nhm.mailman.taxacomDeposit of type material
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Jorge Soberon MaineroAug 9, 1995 7:47 pm 
Fred RicksonAug 9, 1995 8:29 pm 
Leonard KrishtalkaAug 9, 1995 10:45 pm 
Robin LeechAug 9, 1995 10:59 pm 
Norman F. JohnsonAug 10, 1995 8:25 am 
Henk BeentjeAug 10, 1995 8:47 am 
Lynn KimseyAug 10, 1995 9:12 am 
Hendrik SegersAug 10, 1995 9:28 am 
Julian HumphriesAug 10, 1995 9:46 am 
Jef VeldkampAug 10, 1995 11:26 am 
Melissa C. WinansAug 10, 1995 12:04 pm 
Mike CrispAug 10, 1995 12:18 pm 
Atilano Contreras-RamosAug 10, 1995 2:39 pm 
Gary RosenbergAug 11, 1995 3:44 pm 
PennyBAug 14, 1995 1:36 pm 
Jorge Soberon MaineroAug 14, 1995 2:04 pm 
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From:Jef Veldkamp (VELD@RULRHB.LEIDENUNIV.NL)
Date:Aug 10, 1995 11:26:36 am
List:edu.ku.nhm.mailman.taxacom

One of the first things about laws is that they must be enforceable.

The rule that Jorge Soberon cites is more or less the same as that of the Manila Declaration, but the actual result is that it scares off not the miscreants, who will easily circumvent it, but especially the really serious scientists. With all the barriers now being set up to make even simple field trips, let alone real expeditions, I have heard from several colleagues that they have just given up trying, or moved their interests to countries not (yet) so well-'protected'. The gut-feeling is that "If I have risked life and limb to get these things from the jungle/swamps/reefs/etc. (cross what's applicable), and spend a lot of time and money to get there in the first place, I'll be b****y crazy to hand over the best parts of the results (types/unicates/other curiosities). In my institute they at least are well-cared for, while over there they will rot/moulder/ become insect feed/not studied. Moreover, the situation being as it is, everybody will have to come here anyway if a serious revision/ account/checklist is to be made. And so on". I want to stress that I have always made it a point to send a *GOOD* set to the hosting country, so part of my collections are now present in at least Indonesia, Papua New Guinea, Australia, Sri Lanka, Afghanistan (now surely lost! Boy, am I glad that a good set is still here!), Ghana, and Ireland. I am happy to see that at least in Mexico scientists are now apparently asked to attend a policy-making committee. Perhaps something workable will come off it, probably not, as the Committee after two hours apparently was unable to come up with something acceptable.

An example why such rules will not always work is this:

I suppose many of us make general collections, most material actually not being within one's expertise. Now, I live in A, in country X, and have collected in and signed such an agreement with country Y. The first set after pre-identification and labeling us returned to Y and duplicates have been sent/exchanged with specialist B in country Z. Now B describes a new species on it (hopefully named after me, of course). How am I to persuade B to hand over the holotype to country Y? B's institute may not even send types out on loan! You just have to cross your fingers that the officials in Y won't discover this, but if they do, under my agreement I (and B too!) can now no longer go to Y without getting into *BIG* trouble! Another not so funny result of such laws is, I am told, that in a certain country a simple tourist now can be fined and expelled if he/she collects some shells on the beach and tries to 'smuggle' them back home as a souvenir. Opens up an interesting perspective of blackmail from the local cops, doesn't it?