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Subject:Re: FreeBSD problems and preliminary ways to solve
From:Marcin Wisnicki (mwis@gmail.com)
Date:Aug 22, 2011 11:33:22 am
List:org.freebsd.freebsd-arch

On Sun, 21 Aug 2011 21:05:21 +1000, Peter Jeremy wrote:

On 2011-Aug-17 23:10:19 +0000, Vadim Goncharov <vadi@mail.ru> wrote:

1) No pkg and pkg-devel versions. The -devel version is headers, static libs, programmer examples, etc. not needed in production (we could say this part is what is actually depended on in B-deps).

Xorg is partially broken up in this way. In general, it is up to the ports' maintainers to do this - the FreeBSD project just hosts the ports infrastructure, it's up to maintainers to supply and maintain the actual ports. Note that requiring both pkg and pkg-devel versions of ports significantly increases maintainer effort for little (to them) perceived value. Also, I find having separate pkg and pkg-devel versions a real PITA - I regularly find that information i need is missing from the pkg file and I have to dig out the missing files.

Out of interest, what is the rationale behind this requirement.

I too find lack of -devel packages as one of freebsd strengths not weaknesses. Such separation is also very specific to certain languages like C/C++.

However to provide a middle-ground solution I once proposed installation filters based on patterns, which would give ability to not have unwanted files essentially for free (just small changes in pkg_* and ports/Mk).

For example there could be a standard filter group called "devel" that includes "include/**" and "lib/**.a". Packages would have ability to exclude/include additional files to any group if needed using pkg-plist directives. Similar patterns could be defined for docs, localizations, etc. User would set which groups of files he wants to exclude during installation or after it.

Of course ideas don't write code :(

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