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| Hans-Christoph Steiner | Apr 18, 2006 4:34 pm | |
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| Hans-Christoph Steiner | Apr 26, 2006 2:20 pm | |
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| Mathieu Bouchard | Apr 28, 2006 4:13 pm | |
| Mathieu Bouchard | Apr 30, 2006 9:58 am | |
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| Arie van Schutterhoef | May 6, 2006 6:35 am | |
| Mathieu Bouchard | May 6, 2006 11:37 am | |
| Mathieu Bouchard | May 6, 2006 11:42 am | |
| Mathieu Bouchard | May 6, 2006 11:56 am | |
| Mathieu Bouchard | May 6, 2006 12:39 pm | |
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| Frank Barknecht | May 6, 2006 3:09 pm | |
| Mathieu Bouchard | May 6, 2006 4:56 pm | |
| Arie van Schutterhoef | May 6, 2006 5:41 pm | |
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| Mathieu Bouchard | May 7, 2006 12:22 pm | |
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| Mathieu Bouchard | May 7, 2006 8:37 pm | |
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| Mathieu Bouchard | May 8, 2006 10:51 pm | |
| Frank Barknecht | May 9, 2006 12:42 am | |
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| Hans-Christoph Steiner | Aug 26, 2006 11:04 am |
| Subject: | Re: [PD] PDDP meeting? | |
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| From: | Frank Barknecht (fb...@footils.org) | |
| Date: | May 6, 2006 3:09:52 pm | |
| List: | at.iem.pd-list | |
Hallo, Mathieu Bouchard hat gesagt: // Mathieu Bouchard wrote:
This is a different problem because messages and lists can't be unified without making another problem appear elsewhere. If every message is seen as a list then there is no way left to tell an object to do something special because all possible messages get already seen as data. I've already explained this in great detail on pd-list and/or pd-dev. Think of the "set" method for example.
So I think that in the message-vs-list case, if there are obscure problems, they should be transformed into clear problems by teaching them to every pd user.
And also to developers: Some of the annoyances with list- vs. "meta"-messages are introduced by externals like those inherited from Max: [prepend] in all or most of its versions except [list prepend] or the zl-family or - in a different way - [OSCroute], because these output a meta-message even when they receive a proper list-message and thus may introduce unwanted side effects later in the processing chain if users aren't aware of this.
AFAIR Miller's objects all work in something one could call the "list-message domain", which successfully prohibits these side effects from occuring, which makes list-processing a very comfortable thing again. If needed, translating a list-message to a meta-message is trivial, and generally this translation only is needed directly in front of an object when a meta-message is needed to access a method of this object.
Ciao
-- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__