atom feed57 messages in org.perl.advocacyRe: Thoughts on maintaining perl
FromSent OnAttachments
Horsley TomMay 25, 2000 10:31 am 
Chris NandorMay 25, 2000 10:53 am 
Peter ScottMay 25, 2000 11:07 am 
Horsley TomMay 25, 2000 11:27 am 
Steve LaneMay 25, 2000 11:47 am 
Chris NandorMay 25, 2000 11:57 am 
Ben_...@trepp.comMay 25, 2000 12:27 pm 
(Simon Cozens)May 25, 2000 12:30 pm 
Horsley TomMay 25, 2000 12:32 pm 
(Johan Vromans)May 25, 2000 12:44 pm 
Chris NandorMay 25, 2000 12:59 pm 
Elaine -HFB- AshtonMay 25, 2000 1:20 pm 
David H. AdlerMay 25, 2000 1:25 pm 
Peter ScottMay 25, 2000 1:34 pm 
Ben_...@trepp.comMay 25, 2000 2:03 pm 
Kurt D. StarsinicMay 25, 2000 2:14 pm 
Tom ChristiansenMay 25, 2000 2:33 pm 
Tom ChristiansenMay 25, 2000 2:41 pm 
Tom ChristiansenMay 25, 2000 2:42 pm 
Tom ChristiansenMay 25, 2000 2:44 pm 
Tom ChristiansenMay 25, 2000 2:46 pm 
Elaine -HFB- AshtonMay 25, 2000 3:13 pm 
Chris NandorMay 25, 2000 3:44 pm 
Tzadik and Sheva VanderhoofMay 25, 2000 7:13 pm 
RobertMay 25, 2000 10:54 pm 
Matt SergeantMay 26, 2000 12:21 am 
Horsley TomMay 26, 2000 4:05 am 
Peterson, JonathanMay 26, 2000 4:28 am 
Horsley TomMay 26, 2000 4:36 am 
Adam TuroffMay 26, 2000 4:52 am 
Chris NandorMay 26, 2000 5:14 am 
Elaine -HFB- AshtonMay 26, 2000 7:11 am 
Chris NandorMay 26, 2000 7:22 am 
Tom ChristiansenMay 26, 2000 8:01 am 
Dan SugalskiMay 26, 2000 8:20 am 
Matt SergeantMay 26, 2000 8:28 am 
David GroveMay 26, 2000 8:50 am 
Elaine -HFB- AshtonMay 26, 2000 8:57 am 
Chris NandorMay 26, 2000 9:31 am 
Adam TuroffMay 26, 2000 9:46 am 
Vanderhoof, TzadikMay 26, 2000 10:14 am 
Elaine -HFB- AshtonMay 26, 2000 6:20 pm 
'Elaine -HFB- Ashton'May 27, 2000 8:12 am 
David GroveMay 27, 2000 7:10 pm 
RobertMay 27, 2000 9:24 pm 
Elaine -HFB- AshtonMay 27, 2000 9:48 pm 
David GroveMay 28, 2000 12:40 am 
Elaine -HFB- AshtonMay 28, 2000 7:22 am 
Jonathan Scott DuffMay 28, 2000 7:00 pm 
RobertMay 28, 2000 8:03 pm 
Chip SalzenbergMay 29, 2000 7:49 pm 
Chip SalzenbergMay 29, 2000 7:59 pm 
Chip SalzenbergMay 29, 2000 8:06 pm 
Ask Bjoern HansenJun 3, 2000 9:00 am 
Uri GuttmanJun 7, 2000 9:32 am 
(Simon Cozens)Jun 7, 2000 5:13 pm 
Ask Bjoern HansenJun 19, 2000 1:09 pm 
Subject:Re: Thoughts on maintaining perl
From:Chris Nandor (pud@pobox.com)
Date:May 26, 2000 9:31:04 am
List:org.perl.advocacy

At 10.57 -0500 2000.05.26, Elaine -HFB- Ashton wrote:

Chris Nandor [pud@pobox.com] quoth: *>what they are talking about. They like to think they are right, they their *>choices were the right ones. I voted for Candidate X, so OF COURSE *>Candidate Y did what my friend who knows a guy in DC said he did. I like *>Mac OS, so OF COURSE Windows is hard to use, because if it were easier than *>Mac OS, I would use that, not Mac OS!

Indeed, but I get razzed at work for being a weenie with a Powerbook too, until they see that I can also run Unix on it and it is far more stable. Some misconceptions are harder than others to dispel.

I don't even use Unix on my PowerBook. I get razzed about using Mac OS, until they see I know what the heck I am doing and can do whatever I need to do in it, except for those things I need to do in Unix, in which case I use Unix (from Mac OS).

Same thing goes for Perl. I ignore their jeers if I must, and just go about my work. I am sure pretty much everyone here has, plenty of times, been told "you can do that in Perl?" or "wow, that's really cool! I need to learn Perl one of these days" from people who had professed a dislike of Perl without really knowing much about it. That's the way it goes. I don't worry about it unless the person on the other side tells me I can't use Perl or Mac OS or whatever it is, or if that person is spreading FUD about them. That's when we have a problem. :-)

I actually like it and I like awk too :) and I'm even using Perl when I supposedly shouldn't. However, this doesn't mean that Perl will be any more accepted by the show of functionality if there is an opinion that it isn't appropriate based on misinformation.

See, this is where I part company with my company. When my boss is so closed-minded as to think negatively about a technology he does not know, even when faced with evidence to the contrary of what he thinks he knows, and makes policy decisions based on those misconceptions that he has been given every opportunity to fix, well, that's not the kind of person I want telling me what to do, even if it doesn't get in my way at the moment.

:) This company is one of the 'four horsemen of the internet' so if THEY aren't warm and fuzzy over Perl it's not a good sign.

Eh. It doesn't bother me. Just look at the numbers. Perl is used all over the place. If some company, however big they are, doesn't want to use it, that's their problem.

See, I look at this a little differently from others. Perl is HUGE in its acceptance and use in this world of ours. Would I like it to be bigger? Sure. but I am not worried about people not accepting it, because by and large they do. And those that don't will all die a horrible, painful death when WE RULE THE WORLD. *ahem*