107 messages in org.apache.communityRe: Rules for Revolutionaries| From | Sent On | Attachments |
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| Rodent of Unusual Size | Nov 4, 2002 11:08 am | |
| Vadim Gritsenko | Nov 4, 2002 12:46 pm | |
| Rodent of Unusual Size | Nov 4, 2002 1:09 pm | |
| John Keyes | Nov 4, 2002 3:25 pm | |
| Sam Ruby | Nov 4, 2002 4:33 pm | |
| Rodent of Unusual Size | Nov 5, 2002 5:37 pm | |
| Peter Donald | Nov 5, 2002 6:25 pm | |
| Costin Manolache | Nov 5, 2002 7:33 pm | |
| Aaron Bannert | Nov 5, 2002 9:27 pm | |
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| Sam Ruby | Nov 7, 2002 3:43 am | |
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| Ted Husted | Nov 7, 2002 4:31 am | |
| Stefano Mazzocchi | Nov 7, 2002 5:33 am | |
| Sam Ruby | Nov 7, 2002 8:01 am | |
| Rodent of Unusual Size | Nov 7, 2002 9:27 am | |
| Costin Manolache | Nov 7, 2002 12:39 pm | |
| Rich Bowen | Nov 8, 2002 4:35 am | |
| Rodent of Unusual Size | Nov 8, 2002 9:06 am | |
| Sam Ruby | Nov 8, 2002 1:49 pm | |
| Costin Manolache | Nov 8, 2002 2:04 pm | |
| Rodent of Unusual Size | Nov 8, 2002 2:46 pm | |
| Costin Manolache | Nov 8, 2002 3:11 pm | |
| Stefano Mazzocchi | Nov 8, 2002 3:48 pm | |
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| Ceki Gülcü | Nov 9, 2002 12:29 am | |
| Jeff Turner | Nov 9, 2002 2:44 am | |
| Stefano Mazzocchi | Nov 9, 2002 3:26 am | |
| Stefano Mazzocchi | Nov 9, 2002 4:13 am | |
| Stefano Mazzocchi | Nov 9, 2002 4:25 am | |
| Andrew C. Oliver | Nov 9, 2002 4:27 am | |
| Stefano Mazzocchi | Nov 9, 2002 4:31 am | |
| Stefano Mazzocchi | Nov 9, 2002 4:35 am | |
| Andrew C. Oliver | Nov 9, 2002 4:36 am | |
| Danny Angus | Nov 9, 2002 4:39 am | |
| Stefano Mazzocchi | Nov 9, 2002 4:50 am | |
| Martin van den Bemt | Nov 9, 2002 5:21 am | |
| Ceki Gülcü | Nov 9, 2002 6:28 am | |
| Costin Manolache | Nov 9, 2002 8:49 am | |
| Sam Ruby | Nov 9, 2002 9:29 am | |
| Costin Manolache | Nov 9, 2002 10:23 am | |
| Ceki Gülcü | Nov 9, 2002 10:49 am | |
| Ceki Gülcü | Nov 9, 2002 10:58 am | |
| Stefano Mazzocchi | Nov 9, 2002 12:32 pm | |
| James Duncan Davidson | Nov 9, 2002 3:29 pm | |
| James Duncan Davidson | Nov 9, 2002 3:37 pm | |
| Chuck Murcko | Nov 9, 2002 6:07 pm | |
| Rodent of Unusual Size | Nov 10, 2002 5:29 am | |
| Ceki Gülcü | Nov 10, 2002 6:21 am | |
| James Duncan Davidson | Nov 10, 2002 9:14 am | |
| Stefano Mazzocchi | Nov 11, 2002 7:05 pm | |
| Stephen McConnell | Nov 11, 2002 7:26 pm | |
| Sam Ruby | Nov 11, 2002 7:41 pm | |
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| Sam Ruby | Nov 11, 2002 9:50 pm | |
| Jeff Turner | Nov 11, 2002 11:17 pm | |
| Andrew C. Oliver | Nov 12, 2002 7:18 am | |
| Stefano Mazzocchi | Nov 12, 2002 7:24 am | |
| Martin van den Bemt | Nov 12, 2002 8:18 am | |
| Joe Schaefer | Nov 12, 2002 8:19 am | |
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| Subject: | Re: Rules for Revolutionaries | |
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| From: | Stefano Mazzocchi (stef...@apache.org) | |
| Date: | Nov 8, 2002 3:48:17 pm | |
| List: | org.apache.community | |
Costin Manolache wrote:
In my personal opinion they are just redundant :-)
The rule that matter is that the community control the code and the name - a majority vote in the community can decide ultimately what happens.
Agreed. At the same time, I would love to see something written down about 'how the ASF guidelines are'. They might not be binding, just recommendations, but I think this will help a lot communities becaue these guidelines are distilled after years of try/fail cycles (and lot of pain!)
This is a particular case ( again IMO ) of the "releases are majority votes and can't be vetoed".
Definately agree.
A side effect of the 'revolution' rules is that a veto can be overriden - nobody can veto a revolution ( or a release ), and if you change the entire code base or a part of it you obviously can make changes that were vetoed.
Pier, Fede and I were talking about exactly this last night: I think the committer that proposes an internal fork looses the right to veto a release. Not to vote, but to veto. That's a very important distinction.
There are few important consequences:
1. No person ( or group ) can control a codebase by using veto. It is quite easy to find technical reasons against anything.
Agreed.
2. It removes some personal conflicts. A veto or someone blocking an idea can be painful. It's a big difference between a majority voting against a particular idea and one person vetoing it.
Same here.
3. To take tomcat as an example - it allows diverging groups or opinions to find the common ground. And that's the really great part IMO.
4. Some good ideas that may otherwise be rejected can eventually live.
perfectly agree with you 100%.
-- Stefano Mazzocchi <stef...@apache.org> --------------------------------------------------------------------