64 messages in org.apache.incubator.generalRe: [PROPOSAL] Flex for Apache Incubator| From | Sent On | Attachments |
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| Alex Harui | Dec 19, 2011 12:20 pm | |
| Greg Stein | Dec 19, 2011 12:44 pm | |
| Donald Whytock | Dec 19, 2011 12:45 pm | |
| Marcel Offermans | Dec 19, 2011 12:57 pm | |
| Dave McAllister | Dec 19, 2011 1:51 pm | |
| Raju Bitter | Dec 19, 2011 3:39 pm | |
| ralp...@dslextreme.com | Dec 19, 2011 3:47 pm | |
| Greg Stein | Dec 19, 2011 6:08 pm | |
| Kalle Korhonen | Dec 19, 2011 8:55 pm | |
| Alex Harui | Dec 19, 2011 10:32 pm | |
| Leo Simons | Dec 20, 2011 1:01 am | |
| Bertrand Delacretaz | Dec 20, 2011 2:22 am | |
| Bertrand Delacretaz | Dec 20, 2011 2:27 am | |
| Raju Bitter | Dec 20, 2011 4:44 am | |
| Bertrand Delacretaz | Dec 20, 2011 5:38 am | |
| Alex Harui | Dec 20, 2011 8:03 am | |
| Raju Bitter | Dec 20, 2011 12:30 pm | |
| Greg Stein | Dec 20, 2011 12:37 pm | |
| Dave McAllister | Dec 20, 2011 12:41 pm | |
| Raju Bitter | Dec 20, 2011 1:48 pm | |
| Raju Bitter | Dec 20, 2011 1:54 pm | |
| Carol Frampton | Dec 20, 2011 1:55 pm | |
| Raju Bitter | Dec 20, 2011 2:03 pm | |
| Carol Frampton | Dec 20, 2011 2:10 pm | |
| Ross Gardler | Dec 20, 2011 2:24 pm | |
| Raju Bitter | Dec 20, 2011 2:31 pm | |
| William A. Rowe Jr. | Dec 20, 2011 2:35 pm | |
| Daniel Shahaf | Dec 20, 2011 2:44 pm | |
| Ross Gardler | Dec 20, 2011 2:51 pm | |
| Alex Harui | Dec 20, 2011 3:22 pm | |
| Alex Harui | Dec 20, 2011 3:27 pm | |
| Raju Bitter | Dec 20, 2011 4:46 pm | |
| Raju Bitter | Dec 20, 2011 6:00 pm | |
| Greg Stein | Dec 20, 2011 6:10 pm | |
| Craig L Russell | Dec 20, 2011 11:35 pm | |
| Bertrand Delacretaz | Dec 21, 2011 12:59 am | |
| Bertrand Delacretaz | Dec 21, 2011 1:09 am | |
| Alex Harui | Dec 21, 2011 1:50 am | |
| William A. Rowe Jr. | Dec 21, 2011 1:56 am | |
| William A. Rowe Jr. | Dec 21, 2011 2:01 am | |
| Raju Bitter | Dec 21, 2011 2:05 am | |
| Bertrand Delacretaz | Dec 21, 2011 2:15 am | |
| William A. Rowe Jr. | Dec 21, 2011 2:41 am | |
| Bertrand Delacretaz | Dec 21, 2011 2:59 am | |
| Ross Gardler | Dec 21, 2011 4:06 am | |
| Bertrand Delacretaz | Dec 21, 2011 4:49 am | |
| Ross Gardler | Dec 21, 2011 5:03 am | |
| Craig L Russell | Dec 21, 2011 5:36 am | |
| Carol Frampton | Dec 21, 2011 6:19 am | |
| Leo Simons | Dec 21, 2011 6:42 am | |
| Bertrand Delacretaz | Dec 21, 2011 6:51 am | |
| Raju Bitter | Dec 21, 2011 7:04 am | |
| Rui Silva | Dec 21, 2011 7:21 am | |
| Carol Frampton | Dec 21, 2011 7:29 am | |
| Raju Bitter | Dec 21, 2011 12:35 pm | |
| Raju Bitter | Dec 22, 2011 2:04 am | |
| Bertrand Delacretaz | Dec 22, 2011 2:19 am | |
| Raju Bitter | Dec 22, 2011 2:25 am | |
| Peter Elst | Dec 22, 2011 2:27 am | |
| Greg Stein | Dec 22, 2011 2:30 am | |
| Raju Bitter | Dec 22, 2011 5:27 am | |
| Greg Stein | Dec 22, 2011 6:47 am | |
| Raju Bitter | Dec 22, 2011 7:08 am | |
| Bertrand Delacretaz | Dec 23, 2011 7:08 am |
| Subject: | Re: [PROPOSAL] Flex for Apache Incubator | |
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| From: | Leo Simons (ma...@leosimons.com) | |
| Date: | Dec 21, 2011 6:42:39 am | |
| List: | org.apache.incubator.general | |
Hey folks,
I had to think about this a bunch. We don't have anything like this at apache today.
On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 9:37 PM, Greg Stein <gst...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 15:30, Raju Bitter <raju...@googlemail.com> wrote:
(..) Adobe Flex is quite different from most Apache projects (...) it looks like the output of the compiler can only be used with Adobe-owned proprietary software at the moment. (...)
As I mentioned above, I don't see this as a problem whatsoever. (...)
Just to pick this apart...
* Flex helps you make apps that target the flash player (or the AIR runtime...) * There is effectively one implementation of flash player (supporting the v10 SWFs that come out of flex...) ** which you get from adobe or someone that has an agreement with adobe ** which comes with very restrictive licenses [3] *** basically you probably can't even *use* it if you want to implement a flash player yourself [4]. * This flash player plays SWF files (and FLVs..). ** SWF has an "open spec" that isn't very open at all [1,2]. * Flex does not produce SWF files all by itself. It uses the Flash SDK and the AIR SDK (and some other bits) ** which you have to get from adobe and which come with very restrictive licenses. * Adobe could unilaterally change the license for the flash player, the SWF format, and/or the prerequisite SDKs, and flex would become essentially useless.
Analogies to .Net or Java (or oracle databases) don't make much sense to me. Instead if I had to come up with an analogy, it would be something like having an apache http server that you could only install on windows, and run only if you already had IIS, and that would then host websites that you could only view if you had internet explorer.
I don't understand why it's useful to have such a project at apache. But, apparently, a lot of people do want to work on it, and flex is obviously useful to a lot of people.
So is there a problem? I guess not. As long as the Apache Flex website makes all this clear enough and no-one makes a PR mess out of it or anything like that, I don't see any actual problem with the proposal. I can't say I'm enthusiastic about it, but I don't have to be.
cheerio,
Leo
[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SWF#Licensing
[2] http://www.adobe.com/devnet/swf.html
[3] http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/eula/flashplayer10.html
[4]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnash#Adobe_Flash_Player_End_User_License_Agreement