| From | Sent On | Attachments |
|---|---|---|
| Donald Ramsbottom | Sep 20, 2000 11:55 pm | |
| Richard Clayton | Sep 21, 2000 6:40 am | |
| Richard Watts | Sep 21, 2000 8:16 am | |
| Neil Dunbar | Sep 21, 2000 9:28 am | |
| Owen Blacker | Sep 21, 2000 10:46 am | |
| Donald Ramsbottom | Sep 21, 2000 11:10 am | |
| John Young | Sep 21, 2000 11:29 am | |
| John Young | Sep 21, 2000 11:41 am | |
| Richard Clayton | Sep 21, 2000 1:25 pm | |
| Richard Clayton | Sep 21, 2000 1:30 pm | |
| Dave Bird | Sep 21, 2000 2:12 pm | |
| Donald Ramsbottom | Sep 22, 2000 12:52 am | |
| Paul Leyland | Sep 22, 2000 1:30 am | |
| Owen Blacker | Sep 22, 2000 2:09 am | |
| Roland Perry | Sep 22, 2000 2:20 am | |
| Roland Perry | Sep 22, 2000 2:25 am | |
| Jon Ribbens | Sep 22, 2000 3:45 am | |
| David Howe | Sep 22, 2000 3:56 am | |
| Charles Lindsey | Sep 22, 2000 4:05 am | |
| David Howe | Sep 22, 2000 4:20 am | |
| Owen Blacker | Sep 22, 2000 4:55 am | |
| David Swarbrick | Sep 22, 2000 5:12 am | |
| Donald Ramsbottom | Sep 22, 2000 5:24 am | |
| Donald Ramsbottom | Sep 22, 2000 8:32 am | |
| Dave Bird | Sep 22, 2000 11:22 am | |
| Donald Ramsbottom | Sep 23, 2000 7:35 am | |
| Owen Blacker | Sep 23, 2000 8:24 am | |
| Dave Howe | Sep 23, 2000 3:25 pm | |
| Dave Bird | Sep 23, 2000 4:26 pm | |
| Dave Howe | Sep 23, 2000 4:38 pm | |
| David Swarbrick | Sep 24, 2000 6:00 am | |
| David Swarbrick | Sep 24, 2000 6:00 am | |
| Paul Crowley | Sep 24, 2000 11:07 am | |
| Richard Watts | Sep 25, 2000 3:53 am | |
| Charles Lindsey | Sep 25, 2000 7:09 am | |
| David Swarbrick | Sep 25, 2000 10:40 am | |
| David Swarbrick | Sep 25, 2000 1:13 pm | |
| Philip Rowlands | Sep 25, 2000 2:04 pm | |
| Dave Bird | Sep 25, 2000 7:35 pm | |
| David Swarbrick | Sep 25, 2000 11:04 pm | |
| Charles Lindsey | Sep 26, 2000 1:59 am | |
| Pete Chown | Sep 26, 2000 2:38 am | |
| Richard Watts | Sep 26, 2000 9:40 am | |
| Richard Watts | Sep 26, 2000 9:45 am | |
| Dave Bird | Sep 26, 2000 11:42 am | |
| Dave Bird | Sep 26, 2000 12:26 pm | |
| David Swarbrick | Sep 27, 2000 3:01 am | |
| David Swarbrick | Sep 27, 2000 3:01 am | |
| Jon Ribbens | Sep 27, 2000 3:46 am | |
| Dave Bird | Sep 27, 2000 7:52 am | |
| Dave Bird | Sep 27, 2000 11:53 am | |
| Benjamin Geer | Sep 27, 2000 6:41 pm |
| Subject: | Re: Demon & DeCSS | |
|---|---|---|
| From: | Richard Watts (rr...@semiramis.org.uk) | |
| Date: | Sep 25, 2000 3:53:10 am | |
| List: | uk.org.greenend.chiark.ukcrypto | |
On Friday 22 September 2000, Charles Lindsey <ch...@clw.cs.man.ac.uk> wrote:
On Thu, 21 Sep 2000 17:17:15 +0200 (/libs/glibc) Richard Watts <rr...@semiramis.org.uk> said...
`decryption inevitably involves copying' ? Has there been an authority saying that that's wrong yet ? Not that it matters for interoperability reasons...
I would have thought where the copying was legal for whatever reason (fair use, changing format for personal use in your walkman, time shifting, etc), then any decryption incidental to that copying would be equally lawful.
I would've thought that was the case, too, but I'd be happier if I could point to a judgement saying so. It doesn't matter in this case, of course, since the copying itself would take place in the context of making use of recorded material which you already have an implied licence to use (I suppose you could attack that by claiming that the DVD logo implies that you don't have a licence to use it with anything but an authorised DVD player, but I imagine that would go down like a lead balloon.)
2. DeCSS contains key material to which the DVD consortium holds the copyright.
I doubt anything which is likely only 128 bits long is copyrightable.
I don't see why, per se - length and substantiality aren't linked...
Moreover, isn't there some requirement for "artistic merit" before copyright is possible, which would exclude random numbers more-or-less by definition.
.. unfortunately, I believe there is case law (though I don't have it handy) that says that random numbers (in that case lottery numbers) aren't sufficiently expressive to be copyrightable. I wonder if you could successfully argue that your keys were cunningly chosen to be crackable by the NSA, and were therefore protected .. :-).
[snip]
But then, Demon are well-known for having a silly legal department, as seen in the Godfrey case. Has David Swarbrick's posting access been reconnected yet ?
I think the main problem with Demon's approach is the wording of its standard letter. I am sure it could be worded in a much more conciliatory tone and still be legally watertight. Essentially, it needs to draw attention to a "possible problem" and to invite (even require) some comment from the person concerned.
Well, quite :-),
Richard.





