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21 messages in org.w3.www-htmlRE: FW: I-D ACTION:draft-connolly-tex...| From | Sent On | Attachments |
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| Larry Masinter | Sep 23, 1999 12:15 pm | |
| Jukk...@hut.fi | Sep 24, 1999 2:44 am | |
| Walter Ian Kaye | Sep 24, 1999 10:39 am | |
| Arjun Ray | Sep 27, 1999 6:31 pm | |
| Harald Tveit Alvestrand | Sep 28, 1999 10:51 am | |
| Arjun Ray | Sep 28, 1999 5:01 pm | |
| Harald Tveit Alvestrand | Sep 30, 1999 11:41 am | |
| Arjun Ray | Sep 30, 1999 11:55 pm | |
| Larry Masinter | Oct 4, 1999 1:06 pm | |
| Arjun Ray | Oct 4, 1999 9:56 pm | |
| Larry Masinter | Oct 5, 1999 6:55 am | |
| Arjun Ray | Oct 6, 1999 12:04 am | |
| Arjun Ray | Oct 6, 1999 3:29 am | |
| Rick Jelliffe | Oct 6, 1999 6:37 am | |
| Arjun Ray | Oct 6, 1999 6:39 am | |
| Russell Steven Shawn O'Connor | Oct 6, 1999 6:42 am | |
| Arjun Ray | Oct 6, 1999 10:17 am | |
| Arjun Ray | Oct 7, 1999 10:00 pm | |
| Larry Masinter | Oct 8, 1999 2:55 am | |
| Jukk...@hut.fi | Oct 8, 1999 3:27 am | |
| Arjun Ray | Oct 8, 1999 3:49 pm |
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| Subject: | RE: FW: I-D ACTION:draft-connolly-text-html-00.txt | Actions... |
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| From: | Larry Masinter (masi...@parc.xerox.com) | |
| Date: | Oct 5, 1999 6:55:00 am | |
| List: | org.w3.www-html | |
I think this should be emphasized. Four years ago, attempting an SGML compliant implementation was obviously disastrous
<URL:http://www.nyct.net/~aray/htmlwg/rcs.html> <URL:http://www.nyct.net/~aray/htmlwg/1224.html>
The situation hasn't really changed in all this time.
If the HTML 4.01 document is inadequate, then we can and should fix it.
The one really important fixing it needs is to drop all normative references to ISO8879. Get rid of the parts and/or sections (such as notes on implementation constraints) occasioned by the lip service to SGML, and replace them with a BNF for Tag Soup. That, IMHO, would go a long way towards making 4.01 an honest spec.
At times, highmindedness and humbug can be indistinguishable.
I suppose I should have qualified 'inadequate', since of course, there's no belief that the HTML 4.01 specification could be adequate for all purposes. In particular, it doesn't seem to purport to, or want to, document current practice.
I can note in the revision of the 'text/html' document that current practice on the Internet includes much non-compliant behavior, and that implementors must be prepared to be "bug-compatible" with popular browsers in order to work with many HTML documents on the net.
I don't think this reduces the value of specifying what 'text/html' *should* be, although I agree it makes implementation hard.
I'm considering listing other published material about popular extensions to HTML and documentation of non-compliant expected behavior by HTML interpreters; I can include the references in the 'text/html' registration.
If you know of good published material (with stable references) for explaining the "real HTML", could you send me the bibliographic information?
Larry