32 messages in com.googlegroups.pylons-discussRe: Auth and Auth| From | Sent On | Attachments |
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| Yannick Gingras | 27 Mar 2008 07:44 | |
| Ian Bicking | 27 Mar 2008 09:01 | |
| Wolverine | 27 Mar 2008 09:42 | |
| Eric Ongerth | 27 Mar 2008 19:56 | |
| Dalius Dobravolskas | 27 Mar 2008 23:01 | |
| Dalius Dobravolskas | 27 Mar 2008 23:42 | |
| chrism | 28 Mar 2008 09:38 | |
| chrism | 28 Mar 2008 10:07 | |
| Chris AtLee | 28 Mar 2008 11:04 | |
| Mike Orr | 28 Mar 2008 13:48 | |
| Ian Bicking | 28 Mar 2008 14:55 | |
| Jorge Vargas | 28 Mar 2008 21:12 | |
| Mike Orr | 28 Mar 2008 22:19 | |
| Wichert Akkerman | 29 Mar 2008 03:44 | |
| lasizoillo | 29 Mar 2008 07:50 | |
| Dalius Dobravolskas | 29 Mar 2008 10:16 | |
| Dalius Dobravolskas | 29 Mar 2008 10:27 | |
| Dalius Dobravolskas | 29 Mar 2008 10:29 | |
| Dalius Dobravolskas | 29 Mar 2008 10:35 | |
| mdoudoroff | 29 Mar 2008 16:23 | |
| Mike Orr | 29 Mar 2008 20:36 | |
| Ian Bicking | 30 Mar 2008 11:56 | |
| Ross Vandegrift | 30 Mar 2008 12:05 | |
| Ross Vandegrift | 30 Mar 2008 12:08 | |
| Dalius Dobravolskas | 30 Mar 2008 22:36 | |
| Dalius Dobravolskas | 31 Mar 2008 04:21 | |
| Chris Shenton | 31 Mar 2008 08:24 | |
| Mike Orr | 31 Mar 2008 11:16 | |
| Dalius Dobravolskas | 01 Apr 2008 13:16 | |
| Ian Bicking | 01 Apr 2008 13:58 | |
| johnnyice | 16 Apr 2008 08:38 | |
| Eric Ongerth | 16 Apr 2008 18:27 |
| Subject: | Re: Auth and Auth![]() |
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| From: | Wichert Akkerman (wich...@public.gmane.org) |
| Date: | 03/29/2008 03:44:25 AM |
| List: | com.googlegroups.pylons-discuss |
Previously Mike Orr wrote:
AuthKit's author James Gardner says the architecture is sound, the outstanding bugs have been fixed, and the two substantial chapters in the Pylons Book space on the wiki have been audited for Pylons 0.9.6. Against this are 4-5 people on IRC and this list who have had bad experiences with AuthKit and think it should be thrown into the ocean. Their argument seems to be not that it doesn't work (the previous bugs have been fixed), but that you can write your own authentication in the time it takes to learn it.
There is an important lesson here: a very important, if not the most important, factor for adaption of a tool such as AuthKit is the quality of its documentation and how easy it is for complete newcomers to start using it. I consider myself a reasonably experienced programmer and I found myself overwhelmed by the complexity of the AuthKit documentation and setup. If there was a single tutorial that said 'do A and B and voila! your app is now protected' AuthKit would probably be much more accepted. Instead there are two pages in the pylons book that try to cover all of AuthKit, which means they introduce so much complexity that my first response was 'my needs are very simple, I will look elsewhere'. After actually using AuthKit since there were no good alternatives at the time and I did not want to bother to write my own thing I still think that.
Wichert.
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Wichert Akkerman <wich...@public.gmane.org> It is
simple to make things.
http://www.wiggy.net/ It is hard to make things simple.




