| From | Sent On | Attachments |
|---|---|---|
| Josh Moore | May 7, 2011 3:31 pm | |
| Patrice Colet | May 8, 2011 1:52 am | |
| Mathieu Bouchard | May 8, 2011 7:46 am | |
| Martin Peach | May 8, 2011 8:48 am | |
| Chris McCormick | May 8, 2011 4:51 pm | |
| Billy Stiltner | May 9, 2011 4:07 am | |
| Bryan Jurish | May 9, 2011 4:53 am | |
| Mathieu Bouchard | May 9, 2011 6:21 am | |
| Simon Wise | May 9, 2011 6:43 am | |
| Andy Farnell | May 9, 2011 2:06 pm | |
| Mathieu Bouchard | May 10, 2011 9:11 am | |
| Jaime Oliver | May 10, 2011 10:00 am | |
| Billy Stiltner | May 10, 2011 10:01 am | |
| Andy Farnell | May 10, 2011 11:57 am | |
| Chris McCormick | May 10, 2011 5:16 pm | |
| Patrice Colet | May 10, 2011 6:43 pm | |
| Simon Wise | May 11, 2011 1:19 am | |
| Simon Wise | May 11, 2011 1:23 am | |
| hard off | May 11, 2011 6:27 am | |
| Pedro Lopes | May 11, 2011 6:48 am | |
| hard off | May 11, 2011 6:55 am | |
| hard off | May 11, 2011 6:57 am | |
| Andy Farnell | May 11, 2011 7:15 am | |
| Derek Holzer | May 11, 2011 9:58 am | |
| hard off | May 11, 2011 10:04 pm | |
| Mathieu Bouchard | May 13, 2011 9:38 am | |
| Chris McCormick | May 18, 2011 9:57 pm | |
| Chris McCormick | May 18, 2011 9:59 pm | |
| batinste | May 19, 2011 1:17 am | |
| Simon Wise | May 19, 2011 5:01 am | |
| Bryan Jurish | May 19, 2011 8:11 am | |
| Chris McCormick | May 19, 2011 10:01 pm | |
| Simon Wise | May 20, 2011 7:04 am | |
| Bryan Jurish | May 21, 2011 3:21 pm | |
| Bryan Jurish | May 21, 2011 3:22 pm | |
| Simon Wise | May 22, 2011 1:28 am | |
| Mathieu Bouchard | May 22, 2011 10:36 am | |
| Mathieu Bouchard | May 22, 2011 11:00 am | |
| Chris McCormick | May 22, 2011 6:03 pm | |
| Patrice Colet | May 22, 2011 8:09 pm | |
| Chris McCormick | May 22, 2011 9:21 pm | |
| Bryan Jurish | May 23, 2011 12:21 am | |
| Simon Wise | May 23, 2011 4:53 am | |
| Simon Wise | May 23, 2011 5:01 am | |
| Simon Wise | May 23, 2011 5:46 am | |
| Patrice Colet | May 23, 2011 6:20 am | |
| Mathieu Bouchard | May 23, 2011 9:09 am | |
| Mathieu Bouchard | May 23, 2011 9:37 am | |
| Mathieu Bouchard | May 24, 2011 7:29 am | |
| Mathieu Bouchard | May 24, 2011 9:13 am | |
| Andy Farnell | May 26, 2011 5:57 am | |
| Andy Farnell | May 26, 2011 6:14 am | |
| tim vets | May 26, 2011 12:11 pm | |
| Bryan Jurish | May 27, 2011 12:57 am | |
| Bryan Jurish | May 27, 2011 1:08 am | |
| Chris McCormick | May 27, 2011 1:24 am | |
| hard off | May 27, 2011 1:51 am | |
| Chris McCormick | May 27, 2011 7:03 pm | |
| Mathieu Bouchard | May 28, 2011 11:08 am | |
| Mathieu Bouchard | Jun 2, 2011 10:45 am | |
| Mathieu Bouchard | Jun 2, 2011 2:33 pm | |
| Andy Farnell | Jun 20, 2011 10:03 am | |
| Mathieu Bouchard | Jun 20, 2011 6:14 pm | |
| Chris McCormick | Jun 20, 2011 6:51 pm | |
| Chris McCormick | Jun 20, 2011 6:54 pm | |
| Andy Farnell | Jun 21, 2011 12:22 pm | |
| Mathieu Bouchard | Dec 7, 2011 12:39 pm |
| Subject: | Re: [PD] CVs | |
|---|---|---|
| From: | Chris McCormick (chr...@mccormick.cx) | |
| Date: | May 22, 2011 6:03:36 pm | |
| List: | at.iem.pd-list | |
On Sun, May 22, 2011 at 01:37:19PM -0400, Mathieu Bouchard wrote:
On Thu, 19 May 2011, Chris McCormick wrote:
On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 12:38:37PM -0400, Mathieu Bouchard wrote:
On Wed, 11 May 2011, Chris McCormick wrote:
At the very least they exist physically encoded in the brain chemistry of somebody who is thinking about those concepts. Brains are part of physical reality, right?
Yeah, but the map is not the territory.
I am not convinced they are different in the case of things that "we can't perceive ... from the physical world."
All this to be able to cleverly claim « Santa Claus really exists » with a big satisfied grin on your face ? ;)
Of course Santa Claus exists. I'm not interested in being smug about it though.
There is no guy in red riding a sleigh across the sky delivering presents to
children. Instead the Santa Claus entity exists as millions of copies inside the
minds of humans everywhere. Millions of people running the Santa Claus program
on their brains. We should pay attention to this real entity because it has a
huge effect on the GDP of countries in the western world, every year. To dismiss
Santa Claus as just a silly children's story is to underestimate it.
I'm not being smug. I think it's a mistake that very intelligent people make in
dismissing things that are "just ideas". For some reason people think that ideas
are something independent of the physical world, but they are not. Ideas
physically occupy people's brains and make people change the world.
There's a practical reason why people make a difference between a rock, a brain thinking about a rock, a brain thinking about a brain thinking about a rock, and a brain thinking about the set of all possible brains thinking in all different manners about all different kinds of rocks... even though each of those cases must be embodied by some part of the physical world... and even though all of those cases are referring to rocks.
Of course a rock is different to a brain thinking about a rock, is different to
a brain thinking about a brain thinking about a rock etc. The ways in which
those things occupy the material world is completely different. A rock manifest
in matter does not look anything like a rock manifest in somebody's
brainchemistry. I am not saying that they are the same or that we should treat
them the same.
I don't think human thought takes place in some magic fairy land. I think it
takes place in the same physical reality that we all occupy. I'm not really sure
why this idea is contraversial.
Cheers,
Chris.
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