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Subject:Re: [PD] Pd META: Author/Help Patch Authors
From:Hans-Christoph Steiner (ha@at.or.at)
Date:Sep 2, 2009 8:13:01 am
List:at.iem.pd-list

On Sep 1, 2009, at 5:37 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:

--- On Tue, 9/1/09, Hans-Christoph Steiner <ha@at.or.at> wrote:

From: Hans-Christoph Steiner <ha@at.or.at> Subject: Re: [PD] Pd META: Author/Help Patch Authors To: "Jonathan Wilkes" <janc@yahoo.com> Cc: pd-l@iem.at Date: Tuesday, September 1, 2009, 9:21 PM

On Sep 1, 2009, at 2:21 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:

--- On Tue, 9/1/09, Hans-Christoph Steiner <ha@at.or.at> wrote:

From: Hans-Christoph Steiner <ha@at.or.at> Subject: Re: [PD] Pd META: Author/Help Patch Authors To: "Jonathan Wilkes" <janc@yahoo.com> Cc: pd-l@iem.at Date: Tuesday, September 1, 2009, 7:15 PM

On Sep 1, 2009, at 1:08 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:

--- On Tue, 9/1/09, Jonathan Wilkes <janc@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Jonathan Wilkes <janc@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [PD] Pd META: Author/Help

Patch

Authors

To: "Hans-Christoph Steiner" <ha@at.or.at> Cc: pd-l@iem.at Date: Tuesday, September 1, 2009, 5:47 PM

--- On Tue, 9/1/09, Hans-Christoph Steiner <ha@at.or.at> wrote:

From: Hans-Christoph Steiner <ha@at.or.at> Subject: Re: [PD] Pd META: Author/Help

Patch

Authors

To: "Jonathan Wilkes" <janc@yahoo.com> Cc: pd-l@iem.at Date: Tuesday, September 1, 2009, 4:05 PM

On Sep 1, 2009, at 12:41 AM, Jonathan

Wilkes

wrote:

--- On Tue, 9/1/09, Hans-Christoph

Steiner

<ha@at.or.at>

wrote:

From: Hans-Christoph Steiner <ha@at.or.at> Subject: Re: [PD] Pd META:

Author/Help

Patch

Authors

To: "Jonathan Wilkes" <janc@yahoo.com> Cc: pd-l@iem.at Date: Tuesday, September 1,

2009, 5:00

AM

It is Pd, so I think we should

at

least make

an

effort to

make things easy to parse in

Pd.

I tried

your parser

using data that is probably

closer to

what

we

might use, and

it didn't work at

all. If someone

can get a

Pd parser working that can

handle the

commas

well,

then I

would be OK using commas in

the meta

data

format.

Here's my data: tags - pure data, frequency

modulation,

synthesis

Hi Hans, I

wouldn't expect my

example

to work as a general solution.

If you

want a general solution, I'd be

happy to

take a

stab

at it, but you

haven't said what you want Pd to

do with

the

data

example you've provided

above.

Ah, sorry, I thought you'd followed

the

object_db.tcl

plugin discussion and the [pd META]

discussion

with

Frank. Basically, the

object_db.tcl

plugin builds a

multilevel menu for finding objects

based on

tags.

I'm

am sure people will think of other

uses for

the

tags.

Frank suggested using comma separated

tags in

his [pd

REFERENCE] format, the PDDP group came

to the

conclusion

that the meta data should be easily

parsable

by Pd,

and I

still think that's a good idea.

So the idea is to have every help

patch have a

[pd

META]

subpatch, and in it, have a comment

with

tags.

.hc

Oh, ok. I'll have a look at that discussion.

-Jonathan

Yes, I have seen this discussion. But

I'm still

confused: are commas

a problem in tcl? If not, I still don't understand the problem (see attached).

<file.pd><parser.pd>

Tcl's not the problem, its Pd's parser. It interprets commas as a separator between messages. Since there isn't an escape mechanism, it means handling commas, semi-colons, etc. is difficult unless you are wanting the behavior of Pd's parser.

If we use commas as the delimiter for individual tags, then just removing the commas means you don't know if you have multi-word tags or just single word tags. So if you have:

tags - frequency modulation, synth

and its parsed as:

tags frequency modulation synth

then key information is lost.

Ok. (see attached)

Works for me! Frank will be happy. So let's use comma-separated tags and see what happens...

So what kinds of tasks do you want Pd to do with these META comments? If you already have specific ideas in mind (or have written about them already some place), let me know and I'll try to put together some patches.

I think they'll be very useful for searching for an object that does what you want, or organizing the help patches into some kind of navigatable hierarchy. Perhaps people will think of other uses as well.

I'm also getting close to the finishing refactoring the help patches in the reference folder. What should I do with them when I'm finished? Attach a zip file to the list?

This sounds great! To start with, try posting some to the list, or putting the zip on puredata.info and post a link.

.hc

-Jonathan

.hc

-Jonathan

.hc

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