atom feed161 messages in at.iem.pd-devRe: [PD-dev] stripping down Pd-extend...
FromSent OnAttachments
Hans-Christoph SteinerFeb 15, 2009 8:52 pm 
Frank BarknechtFeb 16, 2009 1:24 am 
ydeg...@free.frFeb 16, 2009 8:32 am 
Loic KessousFeb 16, 2009 9:39 am 
cyrille henryFeb 16, 2009 9:52 am 
IOhannes m zmoelnigFeb 16, 2009 9:57 am 
ydeg...@free.frFeb 16, 2009 10:07 am 
IOhannes m zmoelnigFeb 16, 2009 11:40 am 
Hans-Christoph SteinerFeb 16, 2009 11:59 am 
Hans-Christoph SteinerFeb 16, 2009 12:01 pm 
Roman HaefeliFeb 16, 2009 1:28 pm 
Matt BarberFeb 16, 2009 1:32 pm 
Frank BarknechtFeb 16, 2009 1:45 pm 
Frank BarknechtFeb 16, 2009 1:57 pm 
Frank BarknechtFeb 16, 2009 2:04 pm 
Roman HaefeliFeb 16, 2009 2:52 pm 
ydeg...@free.frFeb 16, 2009 7:48 pm 
Hans-Christoph SteinerFeb 16, 2009 8:38 pm 
Hans-Christoph SteinerFeb 16, 2009 9:03 pm 
Hans-Christoph SteinerFeb 16, 2009 9:04 pm 
Matt BarberFeb 16, 2009 9:36 pm 
Frank BarknechtFeb 16, 2009 10:10 pm 
Frank BarknechtFeb 16, 2009 10:24 pm 
Frank BarknechtFeb 16, 2009 10:29 pm 
Roman HaefeliFeb 16, 2009 11:20 pm 
Roman HaefeliFeb 16, 2009 11:25 pm 
Roman HaefeliFeb 16, 2009 11:28 pm 
Roman HaefeliFeb 16, 2009 11:28 pm 
Roman HaefeliFeb 16, 2009 11:36 pm 
Frank BarknechtFeb 17, 2009 12:36 am 
Frank BarknechtFeb 17, 2009 12:44 am 
IOhannes m zmoelnigFeb 17, 2009 1:06 am 
Frank BarknechtFeb 17, 2009 1:11 am 
IOhannes m zmoelnigFeb 17, 2009 1:47 am 
Loic KessousFeb 17, 2009 1:48 am 
IOhannes m zmoelnigFeb 17, 2009 1:52 am 
marius schebellaFeb 17, 2009 2:24 am 
Frank BarknechtFeb 17, 2009 4:27 am 
dmotdFeb 17, 2009 8:14 am 
Matt BarberFeb 17, 2009 8:17 am 
Matt BarberFeb 17, 2009 9:01 am 
Hans-Christoph SteinerFeb 17, 2009 10:31 am 
Hans-Christoph SteinerFeb 17, 2009 10:33 am 
Hans-Christoph SteinerFeb 17, 2009 10:37 am 
Hans-Christoph SteinerFeb 17, 2009 10:42 am 
Hans-Christoph SteinerFeb 17, 2009 10:48 am 
Roman HaefeliFeb 17, 2009 10:59 am 
Roman HaefeliFeb 17, 2009 11:08 am 
Roman HaefeliFeb 17, 2009 11:13 am 
Frank BarknechtFeb 17, 2009 12:00 pm 
Frank BarknechtFeb 17, 2009 12:05 pm 
Steffen JuulFeb 17, 2009 12:17 pm 
Steffen JuulFeb 17, 2009 12:19 pm 
Steffen JuulFeb 17, 2009 12:25 pm 
Frank BarknechtFeb 17, 2009 12:59 pm 
Roman HaefeliFeb 17, 2009 1:02 pm 
Mathieu BouchardFeb 17, 2009 1:19 pm 
marius schebellaFeb 17, 2009 2:29 pm 
marius schebellaFeb 17, 2009 2:53 pm 
IOhannes m zmoelnigFeb 18, 2009 12:20 am 
IOhannes m zmoelnigFeb 18, 2009 12:29 am 
IOhannes m zmoelnigFeb 18, 2009 12:38 am 
Frank BarknechtFeb 18, 2009 1:49 am.pd, .png
Frank BarknechtFeb 18, 2009 1:52 am 
IOhannes m zmoelnigFeb 18, 2009 2:09 am 
Luke IanniniFeb 18, 2009 2:10 am 
Martin PeachFeb 18, 2009 5:37 am 
IOhannes m zmoelnigFeb 18, 2009 6:00 am 
Martin PeachFeb 18, 2009 6:09 am 
IOhannes m zmoelnigFeb 18, 2009 6:21 am 
Andy FarnellFeb 18, 2009 7:02 am 
Hans-Christoph SteinerFeb 18, 2009 9:00 am 
Hans-Christoph SteinerFeb 18, 2009 9:01 am 
Hans-Christoph SteinerFeb 18, 2009 9:35 am 
Hans-Christoph SteinerFeb 18, 2009 9:39 am 
Hans-Christoph SteinerFeb 18, 2009 9:59 am 
IOhannes m zmoelnigFeb 18, 2009 10:28 am 
Mathieu BouchardFeb 18, 2009 10:30 am 
Mathieu BouchardFeb 18, 2009 10:42 am 
Mathieu BouchardFeb 18, 2009 10:55 am 
Andy FarnellFeb 18, 2009 10:56 am 
Andy FarnellFeb 18, 2009 10:58 am 
cyrille henryFeb 18, 2009 11:01 am 
IOhannes m zmoelnigFeb 18, 2009 11:19 am 
cyrille henryFeb 18, 2009 11:28 am 
cyrille henryFeb 18, 2009 11:35 am 
Mathieu BouchardFeb 18, 2009 11:57 am 
IOhannes m zmoelnigFeb 18, 2009 12:06 pm 
IOhannes m zmoelnigFeb 18, 2009 12:07 pm 
Matt BarberFeb 18, 2009 12:17 pm 
Martin PeachFeb 18, 2009 1:39 pm 
Andy FarnellFeb 18, 2009 1:46 pm 
Roman HaefeliFeb 18, 2009 3:39 pm 
68 later messages
Subject:Re: [PD-dev] stripping down Pd-extended's default libs
From:Hans-Christoph Steiner (ha@eds.org)
Date:Feb 17, 2009 10:33:04 am
List:at.iem.pd-dev

On Feb 16, 2009, at 10:49 PM, ydeg@free.fr wrote:

ola,

To be clear, the libraries will all still be included in the package, they

just won't be loaded by default. That means you'll have load them as part of the patch using either [declare] or [import], or using namespace prefixes like [cyclone/prepend]. This puts us further towards the goal of having all of the patch settings stored in the patch itself, making it more likely to work on more computers.

computers? we speak of toasters here... i'm really annoyed that you speak from you dev point of view and don't see how many people will ask themselves : where the heck is that object?? not even having a chance to discover it by accident... and accidents make the greatest stories...

more seriously, in your 'scientific' language, it's just sucks... ( that's real science )

and you don't explain why you turned unauthorized into a lib, there was absolutely no reason for that

and also i see no progress in pd since 2 years, until it will get a real threaded gui and soundfile loader ( patches i did in 2002 ), well hey? i totally disagree with darwin, evolution is bad

If the language is an impediment, I would love to hear suggestions for how to improve it. The last thing I want to do if force Pd into the land of computer science. "namespace" seems like a pretty clear name to me, but I am not married to it.

.hc

xiaoo, sevy

Computer science is no more related to the computer than astronomy is related to the telescope. -Edsger Dykstra